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post #28006 of 37392

"Out-dress" is a matter of degree, and the question can't really be answered without a specific example.

 

Unless, I suppose, someone actually wants to argue that routinely showing up in a morning coat to an office where tieless button-down collars and chinos are the norm wouldn't be eccentric.

 

Arguing that, of course, would be trolling, I think.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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I work in bigger law, and have never had an issue. With my friends who do work big law, in Texas and New York, I have never heard of label checking. If you bragged about it... Absolutely they would judge you. But if they touched your jacket, and checked the label??? That would be absurd.

But then again, all of my superiors are really nice. The rumors of the intense, crazy law firm are much exaggerated. Not to say they don't exist... But many law firms have adopted the laissez-faire management attitude (note, while simultaneously judging you secretly).
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Is there anyway to fact check the claims of career suicide if you out-dress people in the office? Maybe I'm skeptical because it sounds so absurd and I've never heard of a thing, but it seems far fetched IMO.

 

Not career-suicide. It can create unwanted impressions and resentment though. Might work against you if you're client facing as well.

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I can understand catching flack for wearing Gucci loafers as an analyst, but not for wearing a suit that fits you better than your superiors'.

It's kind of a weird inverse slippery slope at least where I am generally in LA. It's so relaxed and as I said so many people just don't give a shit that to not dress better than them would require going to Jos. A. Bank and intentionally dressing badly.
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What about the psychology that dressing well sublet helps people's impressions of you?

I believe in this more generally in that it is more often helpful than harmful overall. Feeling somewhat stuck in the middle I would prefer to err on the side of looking good and being perceived as such as opposed to schleppy and middling just to fit in.
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There are so many opportunities for resentment in academia anyway that clothing choices nary make the top 20. Sayre's Law, for sure.

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I believe in this more generally in that it is more often helpful than harmful overall. Feeling somewhat stuck in the middle I would prefer to err on the side of looking good and being perceived as such as opposed to schleppy and middling just to fit in.

Yep. And there's a pretty big difference between just looking nice and looking like you're trying to show up people, especially as low man on the ladder.

No need to overthink this one. If you come in brand new and dress super flashy or in any way that makes you stand out, people are gonna talk or speculate or judge etc. Sucks, but ... yeah.
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To be sure, "career suicide" is a bit hyperbolic, but common-sense group psychology should be enough to convince you that the claim that it can cause resentment is at least plausible on the face of it.

Cheers,

Ac

 

What about the psychology that dressing well sublet helps people's impressions of you?

 

I’m sorry.  I have a strict policy on SF that I only answer questions written in English.  Beyond that you’ll need to pay me.

 

Nothing personal; it's just a question of maintaining professional standards.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac  (:))

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There are so many opportunities for resentment in academia anyway that clothing choices nary make the top 20. Sayre's Law, for sure.


Sadly, couldn't agree more. That still doesn't stop the "why are you so dressed up?!" questions/accusations flying when I teach in a jacket and tie, of course, but there are about a thousand more land mines beyond that in my experience in academia.

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Yep. And there's a pretty big difference between just looking nice and looking like you're trying to show up people, especially as low man on the ladder.

No need to overthink this one. If you come in brand new and dress super flashy or in any way that makes you stand out, people are gonna talk or speculate or judge etc. Sucks, but ... yeah.
But is a navy LL suit, white Kabbaz shirt really that flashy?
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I  don't necessarily buy that. For any situation in which a person has actually changed their opinion for real personal reasons I bet you can find 50 that are just going with the flow. 

Well I meant how people actually felt, rather than them saying they feel one way (because of outward pressure), but actually thinking something else inside.

 

But I am sure some people do just go with the flow.

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I’m sorry.  I have a strict policy on SF that I only answer questions written in English.  Beyond that you’ll need to pay me.

Nothing personal; it's just a question of maintaining professional standards.

Cheers,

Ac  (smile.gif )
Subtly*

I thought dressing well helped people's impressions of you.
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Sadly, couldn't agree more. That still doesn't stop the "why are you so dressed up?!" questions/accusations flying when I teach in a jacket and tie, of course, but there are about a thousand more land mines beyond that in my experience in academia.

Did you know that ant colonies are not the Marxist dream that they appear? The soldier ants maintain a strict martial law. Parallels abound with academia.

post #28019 of 37392

People do not care what brands you wear or what your labels say in Big Law.  Nor do they care if your suit fits better than most partners' suits.  They do care, however, if you are the type of person to let others know how much you spend on clothes and the brands you wear.  Stated another way, if you are the type of person to let others know these facts, you will not last long.

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In general, any display of wealth above your position will negatively affect you. Clothing is only a small part of that. 

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