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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't say I'm dead set on using Kabbaz, so I appreciate the CEGO recommendation. I'll do some more research, but do I remember that they had some problems delivering a little while ago? And I think I remember a thread about how them being unprofessional in some way. Will do more research though.

Anyone with experience at Paris or Geneva in relation to CEGO?

EDIT: upon further research, I realized that the claim of unprofessional behavior was bogus.
EDIT 2: the first claim may have been bogus, but there are some other claims that look more legit

It's your money so spend it however you see fit but don't think you can justify a value proposition or marginal increase in quality if any exist in this thread.

Have you considered Napoli Su Misura or any of the traveling tailors that frequent NYC?
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It's your money so spend it however you see fit but don't think you can justify the marginal increase in quality if any exist in this thread.

Have you considered Napoli Su Misura or any of the traveling tailors that frequent NYC?

I've been in contact with NSM regarding having some pants made when they visit. Do they make good shirts, too?

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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

I've been in contact with NSM regarding having some pants made when they visit. Do they make good shirts, too?

Well

http://www.styleforum.net/t/207054/my-visit-to-napoli-mina-napoli-su-misura/780#post_4484167


Have you considered Dege and Skinner bespoke or Charvet MTM?
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I think the objection to $1100 shirts is that plenty of people here have gotten great shirts for less than a quarter of that price, probably even less than a quarter once you dial in your fit.

I'd rather have half a dozen pairs of EG, or 8 pairs of Vass for that money.

Although as stated, if you are in the uncommon position that $1K shirts are affordable then that is great... Its just hard for the rest of us to see the value.
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Originally Posted by kulata View Post


Well

http://www.styleforum.net/t/207054/my-visit-to-napoli-mina-napoli-su-misura/780#post_4484167


Have you considered Dege and Skinner bespoke or Charvet MTM?

Yeah, since I'm going to be in Paris in August, I emailed Charvet but haven't heard back. Have also been in contact with some other Parisian shirtmakers, but I had forgotten that the city is shut down for the month.

 

However, I think I'm going to have to put a pretty heavy weight to having tailors located in my immediate vicinity, at least for shirts. I can probably manage working with traveling tailors for pants, jackets, suits, etc., especially if they visit every 2 months a la Rubinacci.

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I think the objection to $1100 shirts is that plenty of people here have gotten great shirts for less than a quarter of that price, probably even less than a quarter once you dial in your fit.

I'd rather have half a dozen pairs of EG, or 8 pairs of Vass for that money.

Although as stated, if you are in the uncommon position that $1K shirts are affordable then that is great... Its just hard for the rest of us to see the value.

Yeah, I wasn't really intending to get into too much of a value debate, as people obviously have different opinions on what things are worth.

 

If there's a consensus that Alex's shirts really are the best, then it's just up to you and me to decide for ourselves whether it's worth the increase in price for an increase in quality. However, I was more interested in seeing (and finding out for myself, if I get around to ordering), if his shirts are in some way actually worse (fit, quality, etc). than a cheaper shirt. We got into a bit of it with the handmade argument, but then deviated into why the shirts cost so much.

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Got to be 1 and 2 IMO

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And sorry if I'm beating this to death, but here's Manton's post on AAAC about Kabbaz: http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?68653-Review-of-NYC-Shirtmakers&p=545294#post545294

 

I swear I was there to look at the OP's reviews of Paris, Geneva, and CEGO :nodding:

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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

Thanks for the feedback. Although it seems like I'm steadfastly defending Alex, I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of others (and I still really want to know where others would recommend going instead—Paris, Geneva, somewhere else?)

Just to clarify, if you're talking about talking with tailors about the process and seeing works in progress, etc., I don't think Alex will have any trouble doing that. Is there something else I should be looking for, in your opinion, before I drop the money?

I think that's all I was getting at. Unless I had read things incorrectly earlier (very possible) I interpreted what you were saying to basically be this:

I have to buy a shirt from him in order to know the quality of his work.

That was my main point of contention and it was more about the process than the money involved since it's not my place to speak about who spends their money on what when I'm neither aware of their situation nor being asked to give that opinion.

Anyways! I was just saying there should most certainly be several finished products you can view without needing to order a shirt to see the finished product. I'd expect him to have either several finished shirts in his store or wherever he operates out of so he can show potential customers his work and make his sales presentation.

I don't really have any alternatives to this guy to recommend to you but I suspect GDL (Greg) and some others who are well traveled and experienced could potentially drop a few names so that you can explore multiple options in multiple locations.
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I think that's all I was getting at. Unless I had read things incorrectly earlier (very possible) I interpreted what you were saying to basically be this:

I have to buy a shirt from him in order to know the quality of his work.

That was my main point of contention and it was more about the process than the money involved since it's not my place to speak about who spends their money on what when I'm neither aware of their situation nor being asked to give that opinion.

Anyways! I was just saying there should most certainly be several finished products you can view without needing to order a shirt to see the finished product. I'd expect him to have either several finished shirts in his store or wherever he operates out of so he can show potential customers his work and make his sales presentation.

I don't really have any alternatives to this guy to recommend to you but I suspect GDL (Greg) and some others who are well traveled and experienced could potentially drop a few names so that you can explore multiple options in multiple locations.

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for any confusion I caused—what I meant to get at was that I ultimately will not know how one of his finished shirts fits on me until I actually have one. You can certainly judge the general quality of his work from other shirts, and try to judge the fit based on pictures you've seen of other people, though.

 

As far as CEGO goes, a bit of forum research hinted that CEGO is more MTM than bespoke... is this true? Or do they have a separate line for bespoke?

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Carl from CEGO is a regular poster. I am sure he can chime in more about the construction.
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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for any confusion I caused—what I meant to get at was that I ultimately will not know how one of his finished shirts fits on me until I actually have one. You can certainly judge the general quality of his work from other shirts, and try to judge the fit based on pictures you've seen of other people, though.

As far as CEGO goes, a bit of forum research hinted that CEGO is more MTM than bespoke... is this true? Or do they have a separate line for bespoke?

I won't speak on @Shirtmaven behalf but I'm pretty sure he should be able to deliver what you want given your budget constraints. Just talk to him and see what he offers. Your doubts and concerns goes back to the 11 suit/shirt concept. You should be able to have a better understanding of what someone is offering regardless of marketing.
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I saw you mention Geneva and some other shirt makers but I didn't see you mention Ercole, Semper. Figured I'd toss out that name to consider as well unless it was covered under the etc.'s in which case disregard!
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