or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe) - Page 1844

post #27646 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

if he is getting people to shell out $6,000 to give him a try, he indeed is a marketing genius.

Maybe, or maybe it's the collective SF/AAAC circle jerk surrounding him and his products combined with a general lack of firsthand experience on the forums :embar:

Or maybe not. I guess I'll have to see.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by EliodA View Post


There are other tailors, you know...

Yes, and I've considered as many of them as I can. Besides potentially going to Italy in the winter, I'm confined to NY—so, the standard CEGO, Paris, Geneva, etc. Well, I'm going to Paris in August, but since the whole city is shut down for the month, I don't have many options.

 

Look, the $6k isn't too much of an issue for me personally. I may go on to try those other NY shirtmakers if my Kabbaz shirts aren't up to snuff—and I'll certainly detail my experiences here on the forum and solicit feedback to make those types of decisions going forward.

post #27647 of 37396
While the $6k may not be an issue in the slightest for you financially, it can still be a bad decision.

Very distinct line between those two things.
post #27648 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by TM79 View Post

While the $6k may not be an issue in the slightest for you financially, it can still be a bad decision.

Very distinct line between those two things.

There is definitely a line, but I'm not sure how you guys can automatically dismiss the shirts when you have no first hand experience. I'm not automatically "accepting" them, but how can I make a judgment on them without trying them first?

 

Also, I meant to go back to the whole handmade thing. If you guys are saying "why get a $1k, machine stitched shirt when you can have a fully handmade shirt for much less." You have to first accept the notion at face value that hand stitching is better than machine stitching, and that's without taking into account the fit of the shirt (which I also understand some may think is bad, etc.)

 

I think you should also account for the level of service you receive—and I know at any of the high end bespoke shirtmakers, it's going to be good, as it should be—but in my discussions with a few shirtmakers, none have been nearly as responsive or accommodating as Alex. And that still may not warrant the extra cost for some of you, but it does seem to be an extra amount of service, above and beyond what you can get elsewhere.

 

Just out of curiosity, where would you guys have me try first instead? I'd like to think I can be open to suggestions and change if warranted. I still do want to try Kabbaz at some point, even if I go to other places first.

post #27649 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

There is definitely a line, but I'm not sure how you guys can automatically dismiss the shirts when you have no first hand experience

While the shirts might be great, if it costs $6k to garner first-hand experience of a shirt, you should be able to understand why very few here would have such experience. We can only comment on the perceived value - just like we may comment on the perceived value of a six-figure country club membership or a Bijan suit. We form some opinions without first-hand experience because were unwilling or unable to pay for that first hand experience.

Don't be mistaken by the opinions you're receiving here - they're good nature advice, hoping to help you, not mock you.
post #27650 of 37396

Before you say, "Not again! No More!" Just read through and let's discuss. It's not another picnic attack.

 

This is the only surviving pic as I went ahead and deleted all my photos during the picnic attack.

 

Getting to the point:

If Greg, my tailor, my wife, and most of you all are in agreement that this fits fine. Then...

There is one thing that I forgot to mention from my last visit to the tailor. I reiterated the fact that it seems like the waist and hip area is making me look like a pear. He said if there is any work that needs to be done, it is not the shoulders but around the waist of the jacket. He pinned it up and showed me how it would look and it looked like I was fitted for that jacket. So basically taper around the waist. Your thoughts? It must be something attributable to the fabric because it just won't drop/drape/fall. It does not fall against my body but just jets out.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

^Sexy feet!!! :slayer: 


Edited by The Noodles - 7/14/15 at 7:39am
post #27651 of 37396
Not again! No more feet!
post #27652 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post


While the shirts might be great, if it costs $6k to garner first-hand experience of a shirt, you should be able to understand why very few here would have such experience. We can only comment on the perceived value - just like we may comment on the perceived value of a six-figure country club membership or a Bijan suit. We form some opinions without first-hand experience because were unwilling or unable to pay for that first hand experience.

Don't be mistaken by the opinions you're receiving here - they're good nature advice, hoping to help you, not mock you.

Fair point. I know they're GNA, and I hope others realize that I'm just trying to do my best in the creation of a wardrobe. Still genuinely interested in hearing where people recommend going.

 

While we're at it, might as well open my choice of tailor for discussion—I'm currently looking at Logsdail.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noodles View Post
 

Before you say, "Not again! No More!" Just read through and let's discuss. It's not another picnic attack.

 

This is the only surviving pic as I went ahead and deleted all my photos during the picnic attack.

 

Getting to the point:

If Greg, my tailor, my wife, and most of you all are in agreement that this fits fine. Then...

There is one thing that I forgot to mention from my last visit to the tailor. I reiterated the fact that it seems like the waist and hip area is making me look like a pear. He said if there is any work that needs to be done, it is not the shoulders but around the waist of the jacket. He pinned it up and showed me how it would look and it looked like I was fitted for that jacket. So basically taper around the waist. Your thoughts? It must be something attributable to the fabric because it just won't drop/drape/fall. It does not fall against my body but just jets out.

^Sexy feet!!! :slayer: 

If it looks better to you, do it. It's hard for me to visualize without a picture of it pinned up, but I'm having trouble imagining a more nipped waist looking any less like a pear, if not more so.

 

EDIT: Yeah, you gotta quit it with the feet.:facepalm:

post #27653 of 37396
@semperexcelsius it may feel we're coming down hard on you, but this is GNAT and I think it's just concern about you taking a decision which you might come to regret.
Apart from the service, what more does Mr. Kabbaz offer? The best Carlo Riva fabrics? What do you know about his work method? I'm genuinely interested to know how he can justify those prices.
post #27654 of 37396

Meh~ I'll just get it done and report back and we can have a calm discussion on the results.

post #27655 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

There is definitely a line, but I'm not sure how you guys can automatically dismiss the shirts when you have no first hand experience. I'm not automatically "accepting" them, but how can I make a judgment on them without trying them first?

Also, I meant to go back to the whole handmade thing. If you guys are saying "why get a $1k, machine stitched shirt when you can have a fully handmade shirt for much less." You have to first accept the notion at face value that hand stitching is better than machine stitching, and that's without taking into account the fit of the shirt (which I also understand some may think is bad, etc.)

I think you should also account for the level of service you receive—and I know at any of the high end bespoke shirtmakers, it's going to be good, as it should be—but in my discussions with a few shirtmakers, none have been nearly as responsive or accommodating as Alex. And that still may not warrant the extra cost for some of you, but it does seem to be an extra amount of service, above and beyond what you can get elsewhere.

Just out of curiosity, where would you guys have me try first instead? I'd like to think I can be open to suggestions and change if warranted. I still do want to try Kabbaz at some point, even if I go to other places first.

While I agree with other members that $1k is a bit much for a shirt I wouldn't get too caught up in machine vs a hand made product. I have paid good money for machine made suits that fit better than my hand tailored suits. It's all about what you feel comfortable with and what you value. You will get a better understanding of each maker as you buy more of their product. I believe 11 is the magic number.
post #27656 of 37396
I think for $1k it's not unreasonable to expect both a perfect fit and a handmade shirt.
Apart from esthetics, with all else equal (fit, fabric) a handmade shirt is more comfortable than a machine made. And yes, that is firsthand experience. smile.gif
post #27657 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

@semperexcelsius it may feel we're coming down hard on you, but this is GNAT and I think it's just concern about you taking a decision which you might come to regret.
Apart from the service, what more does Mr. Kabbaz offer? The best Carlo Riva fabrics? What do you know about his work method? I'm genuinely interested to know how he can justify those prices.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by lordsuperb View Post


While I agree with other members that $1k is a bit much for a shirt I wouldn't get too caught up in machine vs a hand made product. I have paid good money for machine made suits that fit better than my hand tailored suits. It's all about what you feel comfortable with and what you value. You will get a better understanding of each maker as you buy more of their product. I believe 11 is the magic number.

11 what?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

I think for $1k it's not unreasonable to expect both a perfect fit and a handmade shirt.
Apart from esthetics, with all else equal (fit, fabric) a handmade shirt is more comfortable than a machine made. And yes, that is firsthand experience. smile.gif

Here's what I was able to dig up of what @Manton had to say about his Kabbaz shirts, service, etc.

 

The first page of this thread: http://www.styleforum.net/t/38991/kabbaz-shirts

http://www.styleforum.net/t/38991/kabbaz-shirts/90#post_576405

http://www.styleforum.net/t/38991/kabbaz-shirts/150#post_577411

http://www.styleforum.net/t/38991/kabbaz-shirts/165#post_577646

 

Even he didn't want to pay $1k when the prices increased, but what he said about the construction, service, etc. should all be valid. Also, read what he said about the machine stitching in that last post (the long one).

 

I also think there was another thread on here, even older, where Manton offered some thoughts. I'll look and see. Also, if you're a member at AAAC, do some digging there... I think they have even more banter about it than we do, but no commentary as good as Manton's from what I've seen.

post #27658 of 37396

Here's another thread, one in which Mr. Kabbaz participated in: http://www.styleforum.net/t/5561/alex-kabbaz-shirts-worth-the-money

 

Pretty short, worth a glance through

post #27659 of 37396
IIRC Mr. Kabbaz's participation on online fora has been the subject of some controversy
post #27660 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

IIRC Mr. Kabbaz's participation on online fora has been the subject of some controversy

Probably some, but from what I've seen, not too many vendors/tailors/etc can participate here without becoming involved in some amount of controversy:)

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Classic Menswear
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)