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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

How can he get away with that? Must have awesome marketing.

Perhaps by being a style icon himself? wink.gif

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AFAIK, his fame is partly based on making the shirts for Michael Douglas in Wall Street.
post #27632 of 37408
Suit $1500
Jacket $1000
Pant $350
Shirt $150
Shoes $700
Ties $150
Belt $100

That gets me by.
post #27633 of 37408
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

Perhaps by being a style icon himself? wink.gif

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AFAIK, his fame is partly based on making the shirts for Michael Douglas in Wall Street.

That's an awful looking shirt collar/tie knot.
post #27634 of 37408
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Originally Posted by The Noodles View Post

@semperexcelsius
If I have learned anything is this.

- Stick to affiliated vendors here
- Don't buy brand name, unless heavily discounted

A lot of people got good clothing guidelines before the proliferation of affiliate vendors. But what i have learned can be summarized as this:

- Dress for yourself and your lifestyle
- Dress for the body you have and not the one you wish you have
- Find tailor/brands that work for the above (SF is exceptionally good for brand discovery)
- Know your size if going RTW route/trust your tailor if going bespoke


I don't have hard limits per say, it just depends on what I value and cash I am willing to part with at the time. But I'd be first to tell you I have a lot of reservations paying anything significant for ties and pocket squares. I just can't get beyond the fact that they are overpriced small pieces of clothing but on the other hand I'd shell out an unreasonable amount for niche fragrances.
post #27635 of 37408
I have to agree with Kulata on all points. There are limits over which I would not normally pay for an article of clothing, but those limits are flexible, depending on my economic situation and the article of clothing in question. I am more disposed to spending money on ties and pocket squares, but only those which fit my exacting (if on occasion bizarre) tastes. As for niche fragances, between what was left over from my late husband, and what I've bought myself, my medicine cabinets should come with a combination lock shog[1].gif .
post #27636 of 37408
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post


I think he's planning to have shirts made by Kabbaz, who charges upwards of 1k for a shirt that isn't even handmade...

 

 

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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post


How can he get away with that? Must have awesome marketing.

Not to revive all of the threads where this question was debated for an endless amount of pages, but my understanding is that Kabbaz doesn't really believe in hand stitching because he doesn't think it makes the shirts any better (I think he only sews the buttons by hand?). My understanding is also (from the limited amount of firsthand experience with his shirts posted on the forum) that the machine stitching is far and above better than any other machine stitching (although I guess you could think hand stitching is better), and many of those who have tried him and other makers believe he is the best, even with all of the machine stitching and whatnot, although some aren't willing to continue paying the increase in price from the "next best" (whoever that is). However, I will probably try someone like Matuozzo if I get around to visiting Italy in the winter, to see what I actually like better.

 

He can get away with it because he has enough clients who are willing to buy them at that price, and he doesn't need to scale up as he's content running a smaller operation.:slayer:

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For those in the U.S., what is the typical lead time for Sam Hober? 

 

Also if anyone has a suggestion for a red macclesfield with green motifs, I'm all ears...

 

edit: for under a bill

post #27638 of 37408
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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

Thanks for the advice. It's been the "big guys" like you that have made my experiences here so worthwhile. I'm not sure if all of my new vendors are SF affiliates, but you can be sure I at least heard of/found them here. I won't be buying any brand name, especially at that price, just bespoke (unless you consider the big names in bespoke "brand name bespoke")
No, I am considered to be more of a "big clown" but think I have asked a lot of questions that most beginners have asked.
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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

Certain people come to mind. Especially those who have just joined SF and buy 50+ suits/jackets in a short time. Remember that guy who went on a buying spree? Now he mostly bought quality stuff, but I'd say quantity was his priori
Jfrater?
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Originally Posted by kulata View Post

- Dress for yourself and your lifestyle
- Dress for the body you have and not the one you wish you have
- Find tailor/brands that work for the above (SF is exceptionally good for brand discovery)
- Know your size if going RTW route/trust your tailor if going bespokoe
+1
I had this problem where I used to buy clothes that I thut would make me look like an image in my head rather than accepting who I am and buy what fits me best. Pathetic Noodles.

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Originally Posted by jaywhyy View Post

For those in the U.S., what is the typical lead time for Sam Hober? 
2 to 3 weeks. But I always add 6 folds so I am unsure how much time that adds. Must pick dhl if you're in the States.
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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post


Not to revive all of the threads where this question was debated for an endless amount of pages, but my understanding is that Kabbaz doesn't really believe in hand stitching because he doesn't think it makes the shirts any better (I think he only sews the buttons by hand?). My understanding is also (from the limited amount of firsthand experience with his shirts posted on the forum) that the machine stitching is far and above better than any other machine stitching (although I guess you could think hand stitching is better), and many of those who have tried him and other makers believe he is the best, even with all of the machine stitching and whatnot, although some aren't willing to continue paying the increase in price from the "next best" (whoever that is). However, I will probably try someone like Matuozzo if I get around to visiting Italy in the winter, to see what I actually like better.

He can get away with it because he has enough clients who are willing to buy them at that price, and he doesn't need to scale up as he's content running a smaller operation.icon_gu_b_slayer%5B1%5D.gif

So... Your firsthand experience amounts to nothing more than browsing a few photos online and hearsay from some dudes on the interwebz? And based on that you have decided to buy a machine made shirt which may or may not have its buttons attached by hand, for > $1k?
I have seen those photos too and found the shirts to be looking underwhelming at best.
Apparently @Monkeyface is right, Mr. Kabbaz' marketing is top notch. wink.gif
post #27640 of 37408
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Originally Posted by jaywhyy View Post
 

For those in the U.S., what is the typical lead time for Sam Hober? 

 

Also if anyone has a suggestion for a red macclesfield with green motifs, I'm all ears...

 

edit: for under a bill

Only 2-3 weeks if you don't get DHL. The making time is usually 4-8 days, and DHL is 3 day shipping.

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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post


So... Your firsthand experience amounts to nothing more than browsing a few photos online and hearsay from some dudes on the interwebz? And based on that you have decided to buy a machine made shirt which may or may not have its buttons attached by hand, for > $1k?
I have seen those photos too and found the shirts to be looking underwhelming at best.
Apparently @Monkeyface is right, Mr. Kabbaz' marketing is top notch. wink.gif

I mean, I've had an ongoing email discussion with Alex and read some of his own postings and articles in addition to what you mentioned. How else am I supposed to judge, until I actually have a shirt made?:embar: This actually ties into a bit of @kulata was talking about (trusting your tailor)—I had the hardest time picking people out based on my research, causing me to fret, etc. about something not coming out right. Now I figure I just gotta start somewhere, with tailors that seem well-respected and reputed by others. If I don't like what I get, I'll just move on.

 

Not saying I'll go on having $1k shirts made forever—like I said, if I get those first 6 shirts and they're less than expected, I'll go elsewhere.

post #27642 of 37408
I'd say that someone who can convince you to buy a machine made shirt for a thousand dollars is a better salesman than that he is a tailor.
If I were you, I'd hold on to that money a bit longer and do some more research before deciding.
post #27643 of 37408
if he is getting people to shell out $6,000 to give him a try, he indeed is a marketing genius.
post #27644 of 37408
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Originally Posted by EliodA View Post

I'd say that someone who can convince you to buy a machine made shirt for a thousand dollars is a better salesman than that he is a tailor.
If I were you, I'd hold on to that money a bit longer and do some more research before deciding.

How much more research? I've been reading absolutely everything I can about him and his product (and others, for comparison)—almost to an obsessive level (I can get a little obsessive :p)—since about May, and I won't be meeting him until the fall.

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Originally Posted by semperexcelsius View Post

How much more research? I've been reading absolutely everything I can about him and his product (and others, for comparison)—almost to an obsessive level (I can get a little obsessive tongue.gif )—since about May, and I won't be meeting him until the fall.

There are other tailors, you know...
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