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Are they seconds? If not, and they're new, that's about what I'd pay assuming they aren't obviously poorly constructed and fit well.

Seconds
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There is a lot of (perhaps warranted) hate for AE, but to be honest, those who hate them also have trouble naming other brands that are as accessible for people in the US in the same price range. 

 

When you can get a very serviceable pair of AE seconds for ~$200 range and try them on in the store to nail down your size, I find it befuddling when members here suggest looking at Carmina or C&J in the $350-500 range as alternatives.

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Disagree.  AE is a very good buy for casual wear.  They put their shoes on sale so often, it's pretty easy to pick up calfskin models in the $200's and shell in the $300-400 range.  It's their attempts at balmorals and dressier shoes where they fall well short of C&J and Carmina.

AE falls short, with me, when a large number of their first quality shoes wouldn't qualify as a second for Carmina (who is now cheaper than AE). I liked AE just fine about 10 years ago, but their constant cost cutting, combined with their ever increasing prices makes them 100% unappealing to me. Add in the suggestion that most of their uppers are now stitched in the DR and I just can't bother with them.
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There is a lot of (perhaps warranted) hate for AE, but to be honest, those who hate them also have trouble naming other brands that are as accessible for people in the US in the same price range. 
Carmina. Alden and AE shells are not meaningfully different in price to me.
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Carmina. Alden and AE shells are not meaningfully different in price to me.

 

I think the operative term here is "to you." To many people, especially those outside of SF, a $400 shoe is at a very different pricepoint than a $200 one. When you look at it from a mathematical perspective, it seems even more blatant.

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No question there is a significant differential in quality between AE and C&J/Carmina.  The exchange rate for the past several months has also significantly decreased the difference in cost, which is why I now see many regulars from the AE threads now in the Skoak and Carmina threads.  That said, AE still turns out a quality product, which is a great buy when you grab a pair around the $200 mark or under. 

 

Or shell for $350:

 

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Originally Posted by jssdc View Post

Noodles those shoes look nice. Only Carmina I've ever considered were brown bal boots from SkoAB bi put they stopped carrying them. May have to give another look.

Bigger question for you though is what hole in the shoe wardrobe are you trying to fill? You have brown and black oxfords. Do you need another black pair for rotational purposes? What about an Oxblood?

I think just quantity. I need more shoes to give the ones I have more resting time. 

 

I give my Formosa suits a month off...or sometimes just let them hang out in the closet for months :hide:

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I think the operative term here is "to you." To many people, especially those outside of SF, a $400 shoe is at a very different pricepoint than a $200 one. When you look at it from a mathematical perspective, it seems even more blatant.

You're comparing discounted seconds from a brand with fairly crappy quality to a higher quality example at full price. Can you not see the false dichotomy? Here's a direct comparison:
http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carmina/products/carmina-austerity-brogue
$350

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF270_1_40000000001_-1?style=5615
$385

If you want to argue that AE is more available, fine, but this seconds on sale thing is nonsense.

In any case, I'd rather buy Vass than AE, Carmina, or C&J.
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I think just quantity. I need more shoes to give the ones I have more resting time. 

 

I give my Formosa suits a month off...or sometimes just let them hang out in the closet for months :hide:

 

Why double up on point guards when you can still use a power forward and center?

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Speaking of Carmina, just got a new pair of Rain last chukka's, which really shows how much the nano spray darkened a pair that is only a year old.

 

 

I think @Academic2 mentioned he had a similar issue.


Edited by New Shoes1 - 6/29/15 at 6:43am
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You know what seems unnecessary but is actually surprisingly practical? A coin pocket!


Coin pocket?  I thought that was for condoms!  Learn something everyday here.

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Originally Posted by Joenobody0 View Post


You're comparing discounted seconds from a brand with fairly crappy quality to a higher quality example at full price. Can you not see the false dichotomy? Here's a direct comparison:
http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carmina/products/carmina-austerity-brogue
$350

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF270_1_40000000001_-1?style=5615
$385

If you want to argue that AE is more available, fine, but this seconds on sale thing is nonsense.

In any case, I'd rather buy Vass than AE, Carmina, or C&J.

 

You might have a point if anyone actually paid $385 for AE's.  AE has become Jos. A. Bank in having a different sale every week. 

 

Look, I get that you personally find AE beneath you.  I admit that I only have three pairs of AE in a rotation largely dominated by Carmina.  We all have our preferences, but you're not being accurate or fair in disparaging AE's quality.

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Originally Posted by Joenobody0 View Post


You're comparing discounted seconds from a brand with fairly crappy quality to a higher quality example at full price. Can you not see the false dichotomy? Here's a direct comparison:
http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carmina/products/carmina-austerity-brogue
$350

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF270_1_40000000001_-1?style=5615
$385

If you want to argue that AE is more available, fine, but this seconds on sale thin is beyond reason.

 

Keep in mind, I am someone who basically got rid of his entire AE lineup on eBay, and now I have many holes to fill in my shoe wardrobe. I would personally much rather own that austerity brogue from Carmina over pretty much any balmoral from AE.

 

My issue with Carmina is that with shipping being about $35 each way, the risk of ordering the wrong size for me is almost not worth the hassle. If Carmina offered seconds, I would compare both brands' seconds, but they don't. With AE at full price, however, it's obvious that Carmina is the better deal.

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Keep in mind, I am someone who basically got rid of his entire AE lineup on eBay, and now I have many holes to fill in my shoe wardrobe. I would personally much rather own that austerity brogue from Carmina over pretty much any balmoral from AE.

 

My issue with Carmina is that with shipping being about $35 each way, the risk of ordering the wrong size for me is almost not worth the hassle. If Carmina offered seconds, I would compare both brands' seconds, but they don't. With AE at full price, however, it's obvious that Carmina is the better deal.

 

You need to get past this fear with the exchange rate currently what it is.  Carmina's Forest last is a great introductory last for someone who knows their size in AE's 5 last. 

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

You might have a point if anyone actually paid $385 for AE's.  AE has become Jos. A. Bank in having a different sale every week. 

FYI, AE used to have better sales more frequently in the past, back when their shoes were higher quality and carried a lower MSRP. Continue buying AE seconds on sale if you want, but stop acting like waiting around to scrounge leftovers during a sale is how everyone shops.

AE actually has a few things going for it, which oddly you haven't mentioned - choosing instead to fall into "but they're a great value" party line. They're available everywhere and they offer a million different sizes. Neither can be said of Carmina or C&J.
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