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I'd definitely wear a tie.  

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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I hope you see the irony of this...
I do not. Please do explain.
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Just read up on this, and apparently the South Korean government concealed a massacre of between 100,000-1.2 million people for 4 decades. Survivors were forbidden by the government from revealing it, under suspicion of being communist sympathizers. Public revelation carried with it the threat of torture and death. During the 1990s, several corpses were excavated from mass graves, resulting in public awareness of the massacre.

Something about sins and throwing stones..
Is this Koreans killing Koreans cus that happened during the Korean war. What's your source on this?

So, whatever the above incident was, justifies Japanese killing millions in labor camps, prison camps, 731 prisons, taking women to be sex slaves, banning local language, reassigning Japanese names to all non-Japanese, burning down churches, raping women, etc??? What the F are you trying to say?!
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Suit is probably unnecessary. I'd go with a shirt and jacket type of outfit and leave out the tie, unless you're totally opposed to that look (I'm not).

 

 

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I haven't been to a baptism in awhile, but have been to some confirmations / first communions and would assume dress codes are similar. I wore a suit but probably could have gotten away with an odd jacket and tie. Honestly I could probably have gotten away without wearing a tie but wearing a tie just feels more respectful. Might also be worth asking the family member what they're wearing.

 

 

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What tradition/denomination, if you don't mind sharing?  When I attended church it was as a "high church" Episcopalian, and jackets/ties weren't de rigeur but were pretty standard.  

 

 

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I'd definitely wear a tie.  

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

 

Thanks for the replies, gents. It's a church of the 'Huria Kristen Batak Protestan', I believe it's Calvinist.

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Point is, I'd rather be a bit overdressed than be underdressed and thus unintentionally appear disrespectful to either the religion or the once-in-a-lifetime (I assume?) event of a baptism.

 

(I might make an exception if snake-handling was involved ...)

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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I do not. Please do explain.
Is this Koreans killing Koreans cus that happened during the Korean war. What's your source on this?

So, whatever the above incident was, justifies Japanese killing millions in labor camps, prison camps, 731 prisons, taking women to be sex slaves, banning local language, reassigning Japanese names to all non-Japanese, burning down churches, raping women, etc??? What the F are you trying to say?!

I assume he's trying to say that pretty much every government / nation puts its own spin on history and likes to believe a slightly more idealized version of events. I don't think anyone is trying to justify any of the events you are referring to nor should they (evil acts have no business being defended).
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Thanks. What happened happened and I don't want the victims to be forgottened nor do I want the the war crimes to be forgottened.
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Nobody in this thread has said the Japanese was correct for what they did, and no one is saying that those people should be forgotten.

He is just saying it is ironic to be mad at the Japanese, when other countries (Korea included) have done similar actions, and have also had revisionist histories.
Edited by venividivicibj - 6/25/15 at 8:18pm
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Thread Starter 
Doing it to another country is different than doing it to your own people. It isn't a question of better or worse. They are just two different animals
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I assume he's trying to say that pretty much every government / nation puts its own spin on history and likes to believe a slightly more idealized version of events. I don't think anyone is trying to justify any of the events you are referring to nor should they (evil acts have no business being defended).

Yep, exactly this, Noodles. No need to get angry so fast or straight away assume the worst of others. I know you probably mean well, but try to see things from different perspectives. You don't have to agree with them, but it helps just to take a look at it. I've been helping you and giving advice for over a year now, and yet you immediately assume I'm trying to justify the killings of Koreans by Japan?

The following story does not really compare, but it is very recent, and might show you a different reaction. You know when that Malaysia airways plane got shot down in Ukraine by Ukrainian/Russian rebels? There were 200 Dutch people onboard. Percentage wise, the Neherlands lost more of its people than the US did during the 2001 attacks. Nearly everyone knew someone that was affected in some way. There was a national day of mourning, it was in the news non stop for months and still is quite often, and when the remains finally arrived the whole country stopped working to commemorate them, highways were closed in order to transport the bodies with dignity.

Bodies where removed from the crash site by Ukrainians, personal belongings were stolen, making identification impossible, people in charge of the investigation and getting the remains home were hindered and threatened. Russia refuses to cooperate with the investigation.

Now, did the Ukrainian rebels or the Russians that probably armed them ever apologise? No. Will they ever apologise? Probably not. And yet, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in Holland that is angry at all Russians or Ukrainians. We're not very fond of Putin, but we (and most importantly our politicians) recognise that hate and anger will not solve anything, and when left unchecked can cause terrible things.

At Claghorn, so you think the 300,000 Chinese that were killed by the Japanese is so different from the 45 million Chinese that Mao killed?

If anything, killing your own countrymen is even worse, because you don't have a government to protect you when it's your own government that's trying to kill you. I'd say the world agrees with me if you look at outcry that happened when some Middle Eastern leaders started bombing their own cities.
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Thread Starter 
I answered that question in the post you are responding to.

But to be clear: I am not saying that it isn't comparable because one is better or worse than another. I am saying that the comparison doesn't hold in examining how a victim (and this can be a collective, multigenerational entity) feels towards the aggressor. There is a large and understandable difference in our feeling toward an internal aggressor and one external. And again, this difference in feelings is not about degree. The feelings are just different.
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I answered that question in the post you are responding to.
Then what's the difference?
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Thread Starter 
The nature of the relationship between the victim and the aggressor is a key determinant of the nature of the victim's feeling toward the aggressor. Note I am talking about nature and not degree.
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The nature of the relationship between the victim and the aggressor is a key determinant of the nature of the victim's feeling toward the aggressor. Note I am talking about nature and not degree.

Good point
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So... is this a CE thread? haha

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I've managed to avoid CE for as long as I've been on SF. Seems like posting there is a good way to boost one's post count while losing a bit of one's sanity.
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