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Good prices, to be sure, but unless the PoW is quite old, it's likely to be this:

 

http://www.samhober.com/plaid-silk-ties/prince-of-wales-14b.html

 

As far as I can tell, it's the only tie on Hober's site with a warning attached.

 

I own it, and to say it's stiff is an understatement.  I almost never wear it just because it's almost unpleasant to the touch and a pain to knot.  This is doubly unfortunate, since the pattern and scale (always a bit of an issue with plaid ties) are perfect so far as I'm concerned.

 

Just FYI.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Thread Starter 

Nope. I also don't have a navy pindot. Given what I normally where, neither would get much, if any use. I do have a gray grenadine from Hober that I'd wear when one would normally wear a PoW and a navy with small blue dots from Borrelli that I'd wear when one would normally wear a white pindot navy tie.

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Edited by The Noodles - 6/25/15 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by Academic2 View Post
 

Good prices, to be sure, but unless the PoW is quite old, it's likely to be this:

 

http://www.samhober.com/plaid-silk-ties/prince-of-wales-14b.html

 

As far as I can tell, it's the only tie on Hober's site with a warning attached.

 

I own it, and to say it's stiff is an understatement.  I almost never wear it just because it's almost unpleasant to the touch and a pain to knot.  This is doubly unfortunate, since the pattern and scale (always a bit of an issue with plaid ties) are perfect so far as I'm concerned.

 

Just FYI.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac


I have this tie, it is super stiff. I don't really mind it, but as most people on the forum like the super soft/springy ties, I can understand 

post #26150 of 37396

and noodles..... uhhhhh maybe you shouldn't post that?

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Are you all saying this is not the place for it or you guys just forgot that what the Japs did during WWII is on the same level as what the NAZIs did. The Germans did their part in apologizing but the Japs have not.

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Are you all saying this is not the place for it or you guys just forgot that what the Japs did during WWII is on the same level as what the NAZIs did. The Germans did their part in apologizing but the Japs have not.

 

I don't know who "you all" are, but I for one don't think this is the place for "it."

 

And "japs" is an ethnic slur, for which there is no place.  Here or elsewhere.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Are you all saying this is not the place for it or you guys just forgot that what the Japs did during WWII is on the same level as what the NAZIs did. The Germans did their part in apologizing but the Japs have not.
Speaking generally, feelings about that are much much more raw about that in Asia. Many people, 30 or younger, would be hard pressed to explain why Americans were initially very anti-Japanese when they started selling goods here on a large scale.
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Are you all saying this is not the place for it or you guys just forgot that what the Japs did during WWII is on the same level as what the NAZIs did. The Germans did their part in apologizing but the Japs have not.

Cut it out, Noodles.
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Cut it out, Noodles.
Please tell me which part of my post was false. I get that this thread may or may not be the place for this type of discussion but you do not have the right to tell me to cut it out. I will stop this discussion since it probably belongs in a different thread or even just a different website.
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Are you all saying this is not the place for it or you guys just forgot that what the Japs did during WWII is on the same level as what the NAZIs did. The Germans did their part in apologizing but the Japs have not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
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I believe this is the internationally recognized symbol for "time to move on":

 

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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It is true that Japan has apologized. However, a comparison with Germany is still valid for several reasons. First, in Germany, Holocaust denial is illegal. In Japan, it is not illegal to argue that Japanese soldiers really weren't "that bad" in Nanjing or that Korean women weren't forced into prostitution and that they entered brothels willingly to make money. These comments even come from elected officials like ex-governor Ishihara Shintaro.

Second, as the link you gave mentioned, Douglas MacArthur refused to allow the Showa Emperor to apologize on behalf of Japan. This was a huge mistake because it basically let a lot of bad blood flow undisturbed. Many years after the fact, it emerged that the Showa Emperor's planned apology was much more direct and much stronger than any official apology Japan has ever issued.

My own view as an Asian American is that this type of bad blood among Asians is best left in the "old countries." History shouldn't be forgotten, but in the U.S., narrow, provincial thinking has no place. Vincent Chin wasn't Japanese. That didn't save him from two people who hated Japanese.
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A guy crapping in his pants
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It is true that Japan has apologized. However, a comparison with Germany is still valid for several reasons. First, in Germany, Holocaust denial is illegal. In Japan, it is not illegal to argue that Japanese soldiers really weren't "that bad" in Nanjing or that Korean women weren't forced into prostitution and that they entered brothels willingly to make money. These comments even come from elected officials like ex-governor Ishihara Shintaro.

Second, as the link you gave mentioned, Douglas MacArthur refused to allow the Showa Emperor to apologize on behalf of Japan. This was a huge mistake because it basically let a lot of bad blood flow undisturbed. Many years after the fact, it emerged that the Showa Emperor's planned apology was much more direct and much stronger than any official apology Japan has ever issued.

My own view as an Asian American is that this type of bad blood among Asians is best left in the "old countries." History shouldn't be forgotten, but in the U.S., narrow, provincial thinking has no place. Vincent Chin wasn't Japanese. That didn't save him from two people who hated Japanese.

http://nation.time.com/2012/12/11/why-japan-is-still-not-sorry-enough/

So it’s all Japan’s fault?

No, the Koreans and the Chinese bear a large share of the blame. With the Koreans, there has been an unwillingness to help the Japanese find ways of reconciling when the Japanese have tried to do so. This was most apparent with the Asian Women’s Fund, which the Korean government did not support and in fact subverted by establishing a separate, rival support system for the former comfort women. This has been made worse by the tendency of Korean politicians to score cheap points by very publicly taking out their frustrations with Japan — as when President Lee Myung-bak went to Dokdo/Takeshima recently.

There is good reason to question whether the Chinese really want or care about reconciliation. When Jiang Zemin went to Tokyo in 1998, he hectored the Japanese about the past in ways that prevented the Japanese from offering the kind of written apology that they gave South Korea President Kim Dae-jung that same year.

Chinese leaders have preferred taking a hard line on Japan. This has been especially so when there are divisions in the Chinese leadership, and on a deeper level may have something to do with the Chinese leadership being deeply worried about their legitimacy. While Korean leaders are frequently unpopular, there is strong support for the Korean political system and pride in its democratic institutions, but Chinese leaders need to strike a nationalistic tone in part because there is greater internal skepticism about one-party rule.

Most other countries in Asia seemed to have moved on, haven’t they? Why are things different China and Korea? Was it because the occupations lasted longer, or because more people were killed there?

A lot of people died in Indonesia, Vietnam, and elsewhere, too. But Southeast Asians have been generally willing to forgive the Japanese. And the Japanese were in Taiwan even longer than in Korea, but anti-Japanese attitudes there are weak or non-existent.

To my mind, the key difference is how modern nationalism was created in those countries. Chinese and Korean nationalism is in many ways defined itself against Japan. In contrast, the national identity of most Southeast Asian countries was defined in opposition to their old colonial masters. In Indonesia, the focus was the Dutch, in Malaysia it was the British, and in the Philippines it was the United States. Taiwan is also instructive here, since the pro-democratic movement focused its resentment against domination by mainland China, first under the Nationalists and more recently against the PRC.
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