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^^^ Note that every example posted has the charcoal trousers paired with a brown or grey coat that's lighter than the trousers. Every debate on the topic identifies those as pretty much the only things that work with charcoal. I think it's illustrative that those are the examples that everyone pulled out.

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Interestingly, camel hair is one of the jacket colors that I think can look rather good with charcoal or navy odd trousers.

 

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^^^ Note that every example posted has the charcoal trousers paired with a brown or grey coat that's lighter than the trousers. 

For Sure, to go in the other direction you'd pretty much need a black SC with those Charcoal pants I guess. I'm still not sure I understand the apparent disdain for charcoal pants then if they can be paired successfully (if maybe not optimally) with light grey and tan SC's.

 

And aren't Camel Hair SC's something else that get no love on SF? Luciano there looks pretty good I think.


Edited by Bill Dlwgosh - 5/26/15 at 6:17pm
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A lot of it has to do with Manton, I think. Manton is someone whose opinion I respect and I've read his book several times. There is a lot of great wisdom in it. He has influenced the direction of the CM opinion on this forum more than anyone else that I can think of. However, if you read his book and look past the alpha male snark inherent in some of his older posts, you have to understand that much of what he wrote is opinion. Well founded opinion, mind you. 

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^^^ Note that every example posted has the charcoal trousers paired with a brown or grey coat that's lighter than the trousers. Every debate on the topic identifies those as pretty much the only things that work with charcoal. I think it's illustrative that those are the examples that everyone pulled out.

Well, it's hard to avoid the northern lights with charcoal trousers of course. Certain shades of green go well with them too.
Yes, they are harder to pair than other shades of odd trousers, but that doesn't make it bad. I think it's nice to have some pieces in a wardrobe that are difficult. If everything you have is versatile, there's not much challenge in dressing and SFers like challenges don't we?
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I think one of my favorite charcoal flannel trouser combos is with this caramel and chocolate brown large houndstooth tweed jacket i have.

 

I still think it looks good with a navy jacket too (but this is heretical in these parts). 

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 If everything you have is versatile, there's not much challenge in dressing.

 

I find this comment kind of funny on page 1600+ of a thread that was started in the interest of helping Noodles pick out some ties. Not that I disagree with the point, of course.

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Charcoal just isn't as versatile as light or mid grey and so most people, especially those on specific budgets, are gonna choose versatile stuff first once they start developing an eye for what works.

Maybe after that they'll branch out into charcoal, but then you need to already have jackets that work or have the money to get a SC that can work with the pants.

Plenty of people aside from Manton have commented on there being better options to charcoal pants. Pretty sure it's impossible to credit a single person for something like this, although I'm sure he'd appreciate it if he happened to read it.
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Has there ever been a Charcoal Pant FC?

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I'm not sure, but I don't think it would be difficult enough and I think you'd end up with too many similar outfits.
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Plenty of people aside from Manton have commented on there being better options to charcoal pants.

 

That's kind of the point. If Manton had no influence no one would be saying it but him. I'm not saying that he is the first to ever think so. Nor am I saying that the opinion that charcoal trousers are not versatile is without merit. I happen to agree. However, to say they have no history, or violate some mythical "rule" is incorrect. 

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That's kind of the point. If Manton had no influence no one would be saying it but him.

 

Unless there are people in the world who dislike Charcoal Pants all on their own, without being told to think that way by Manton.

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For Sure, to go in the other direction you'd pretty much need a black SC with those Charcoal pants I guess. I'm still not sure I understand the apparent disdain for charcoal pants then if they can be paired successfully (if maybe not optimally) with light grey and tan SC's.

And aren't Camel Hair SC's something else that get no love on SF? Luciano there looks pretty good I think.

I'm probably repeating some of what has been said before, but in summary I'd say these are the issues:

(1) Charcoal (like navy) odd trousers potentially risk being seen as orphaned suit trousers.

(2) Charcoal odd trousers are less versatile than medium grey, light grey, tan or brown in terms of the odd trousers they work well with / in many cases, another color would work better than charcoal.

(3) For those with finite budgets and finite amounts of closet space, avoiding less versatile items is advisable.

While I don't feel nearly as strongly about the first issue, I think the last two are dead on, though. I seldom look at an outfit with medium or light grey trousers and think that the look would be improved with charcoal trousers. I have one odd jacket that works better with charcoal trousers and its's a black and white houndstooth jacket I bought because I thought the swatch was cool without regard to how versatile it would be (not very).

If I had 10 pairs of odd trousers to wear from Labor Day to Memorial Day, I'd probably do two Minnis light grey flannels, two Minnis medium grey flannels, one medium grey cavalry twill, one tan cavalry twill, one tan flannel, one cream flannel, one pair of green corduroys and a pair of either brown corduroys or flannels. I probably would get something in charcoal at some point, but not until my closet was big enough that I wouldn't mind having something that maybe gets worn once a month at most. During the summer, I'd avoid charcoal trousers but that's more because I prefer slightly lighter colors in summer.

My final point is that I like texture in my odd trousers. I find the texture of flannel easier to see and appreciate when the base color is lighter, so that would be my final concern.

As far as camel hair is concerned, I agree that it doesn't get much love around here. I don't think it looks bad personally; it's just not my thing. As far as trouser pairings, medium grey works great (and I'd argue that the picture of Luciano is closer to medium grey than charcoal, though that issue's been discussed before).
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Unless there are people in the world who dislike Charcoal Pants all on their own, without being told to think that way by Manton.


But I did say that he was not the first to think so. I'm not trying to explain everyone's dislike for charcoal trousers, just the ubiquity of it on SF.

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But I did say that he was not the first to think so. I'm not trying to explain everyone's dislike for charcoal trousers, just the ubiquity of it on SF.

I didn't think you were suggesting anything to crazy but the phrasing struck me at an angle.

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