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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post


Not sure if serious...

 

Legitimate question, not trolling. Maybe I already knew they were disliked and am wondering why, aside from the whole 'dark top, light bottom' thing that'd obviously be hard to pull off with charcoal pants. 

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Normally used with a suit. Odd pants vs orphan pants.


Edited by venividivicibj - 5/27/15 at 7:49am
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I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to disagree again. Although it is true that charcoal is a popular suit color, outside of SF charcoal odd trouser are common. Not only that, but they have a long history in American menswear. 

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So charcoal flannels wouldn't get to far on SF, I guess. Good to know. I have a mid gray twill SC that pairs with navy and tan well enough I think. I guess if I want to pair it with a grey I need to go with lighter grey pants rather than darker. These pants are navy but as they read dark grey'ish I thought an actual dark grey might work.

 

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I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to disagree again. Although it is true that charcoal is a popular suit color, outside of SF charcoal odd trouser are common. Not only that, but they have a long history in American menswear. 

 

He was asking why they were disliked. I gave the reason, not sure how you can disagree with it unless your reason why they are disliked is different?

 

Also, just because 'people outside of SF wear them' doesn't mean it is good fashion, or best practice. I mean, using that logic, lots of people outside of SF wear crocs.... 

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Hey man you leave my crocs alone
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I was disagreeing with the reason you gave. You said that they were associated with suits and suggested that it made them seem like "orphaned" trousers. I think that's off the mark due to the ubiquity of charcoal odd trousers in everyday life, and the tradition of wearing them with sport coats in American culture.

 

I made no claim as to the advisability, or lack thereof, of wearing said trousers.

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http://www.styleforum.net/t/207164/navy-vs-charcoal-trousers/0_50

 

There are many threads like it. Read them and decide for yourself. My general summary is that those who have debated this topic on SF the longest seem to agree that charcoal trousers don't look good with very much (if at all), so don't bother. Navy odd trousers are trickier. Some (e.g. Manton) argue both that they look bad with a sport coat and violate menswear traditions so carry with them cultural baggage that contributes to them looking bad. Others simply think that they look good in few contexts. I appreciate how long gdl has been a staunch defender of navy odd trousers.

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Not sure all of these are charcoal/dark grey pants but they all appear close enough:

 

edit: Thank You for the link. I have read posts of Manton deriding Navy Trousers but not that particular thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think in order to wear charcoal trousers you have to go very Trad Ivy. Take inspiration from the looks of the 1950s and 1960s. Some will still not like them and that's fine, but that is no reason they shouldn't get any play. I have a pair of charcoal trousers and they don't get work very often. Maybe I should dust them off.

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I actually think you kind of made the point. It seems to me that, when the charcoal trouser debate pops up in a thread, many people end up saying that they have a pair but rarely or never wear them. It speaks to what appears to be a fairly common experience of finding them difficult to wear well. If many people who otherwise dress well find something so difficult to wear well that they almost never wear it, that seems to me like decent anecdotal evidence that the thing isn't a very useful piece of clothing or simply doesn't look very good.

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@Bill Dlwgosh Not the worst offenders, but I personally think each fit would benefit from a different shade of trouser
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Charcoal flannel odd trousers are classic. You see them in America often...but you also see some very fashionable Italians wearing them...i.e, Luciano Barbera

 

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@Murlsquirl 

 

Thanks. If I understand correctly, you sent them a HY USA fit that had the waist taken in 1/2 inch? I take it you are happy with the replication?

 

I'd have to let it out 1/2 inch to the normal HY sizing. Then the length. But if replication is good, that would be a nice alternative.

 

PM me your order number and any details. Thanks.

 

BTW: you and your crazy drop.

 

Yep, you understand correctly.  They do a good job of replicating.  I will PM you.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Six View Post
 

I actually think you kind of made the point. It seems to me that, when the charcoal trouser debate pops up in a thread, many people end up saying that they have a pair but rarely or never wear them. It speaks to what appears to be a fairly common experience of finding them difficult to wear well. If many people who otherwise dress well find something so difficult to wear well that they almost never wear it, that seems to me like decent anecdotal evidence that the thing isn't a very useful piece of clothing or simply doesn't look very good.


That's an interesting comment but I do think it falls prey to the SF phenomenon. That is to say, people who hang out on this forum necessarily tend to drift toward the center of SF style as they associate on here. The fact that people on SF rarely wear charcoal odd trousers probably has more to do with what is acceptable on SF rather than the inherent usefulness of them. Granted, I tend to agree with the SF wisdom but that doesn't mean that I am any more right in terms of what looks good. At a certain point in deconstructing this argument we must eventually face the fact that style is a perception that not all of us share in common. What looks "good" is only so objective.

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