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post #23266 of 37396
In all honesty, my bit loafers will probably be replaced with a nice pair of black monks when they breathe their last as I prefer the look of the monk with a tie and don't mind it sans tie, but not because I think there's anything wrong with bit loafers. It's more that I want the black monks and can't justify owning more than one pair of black non-oxford shoes.
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Right. It reminds me of the branding on women's shoes. It's just not appealing to me. It also just reminds me of tacky power suits since that's when they came into vogue.

I also think that there are a billion other pairs of shoes that would look better when substitutes for bit loafers.

I don't dislike loafers though. Just bit loafers.

It's totally fair to dislike bit loafers if you don't like how they look. That said, it is worth pointing out that the Gucci bit loafer is around 60 years old at this point. It may have become popular and overplayed a bit further along in its history, but it definitely does have some tradition behind it. I wonder how many people who dislike bit loafers for their ubiquity in certain circles (not putting you in this camp; just raising the point) would howl in protest if one pointed out that we could take away their monkstraps for similar crimes.
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I hate bit loafers. But I just don't like the way they look. Beyond that, I don't really have any notions about them or the wearers.

Fair enough. There are plenty of things that I don't particularly care for the look of and thus don't wear myself. It is interesting how people make judgments based on what one is wearing that may have little to no foundation. I mean this is SF and we kind of specialize in these discussions (along with discussions on the finer nuances of fit), but still.
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I personally have never liked how they look, but find it somewhat irksome how universally lauded they are in some regions if they are from a certain brand (more in South Florida than in NYC). As a person who is an enthusiast in CM and constantly learning about construction, quality, and tradition from this forum, it is interesting to see how these shoes are used as a popular status-symbol among those who wear mostly otherwise ill-fitting or low quality clothing.

 

And @sugarbutch I don't think anyone is attacking AAS in any way. The man has a unique style of his own and always appears to be thoroughly enjoying it, which is what this should be about anyway.

post #23268 of 37396
^ Hmmm. From my time in New York, I always got mixed feelings about the whole "status symbol" thing. On the one hand, a lot of bankers wore them. On the other hand, many of those same bankers much more frequently wore shoes that were considerably more expensive and far more subtle. Some people probably wear them to show off status, but I don't think that was their main purpose in NYC finance. Every banker knew every other banker could afford them, so it's not like wearing them was showing off.

I can see how in other parts of the country where they are a bit less ubiquitous, they might be more of a status symbol.
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The problem I have with horsebit loafers is that the bit thing is so obviously decorative only. That makes it tacky. I like it more if the presence of an element serves a function or at least can be traced back to having had one historically, e.g. brogueing.
For that reason, I also rather have single monks than double.

(No joke: auto correction on my phone wanted to write horseshit instead of horsebit)
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^ Out of curiosity, does the tassel have any historical function that the horsebit does not?
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^ Out of curiosity, does the tassel have any historical function that the horsebit does not?

 

Not that I know of. It won't surprise you that I don't like tassel loafers either.... :D 

 

Edit: though it may perhaps be a remnant of some string-like closure? Mocassins? I dunno...

 

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/Tasseled-Loafers_7439/p/1

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Well, I do dislike tassel loafers.
post #23273 of 37396

Another neigh-sayer here.

 

The horse  really bolted when Shia wore them in Wall St II

 

I like his outfit (and Douglas' for that matter) but only in a 'Italian bistro wine waiter'' kind of way

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^ Out of curiosity, does the tassel have any historical function that the horsebit does not?

 

Not that I know of. It won't surprise you that I don't like tassel loafers either.... :D 

 

Edit: though it may perhaps be a remnant of some string-like closure? Mocassins? I dunno...

 

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/Tasseled-Loafers_7439/p/1

 

Isnt Boyer a legend?  How many of us would casually slip in references to the Marshall plan, bloodshed, TS Eliot, Auden and Alfred Kinsey in a post about clothes?

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This is a complex issue. One could apply Vox's city/country analysis, but there are other spectra which are equally valid: formal/casual, or even Euro/US. On the latter scale, I'm not sure about combining an OCBD with tassel loafers. The first strikes me as very Ivy, whereas the latter is more Neapolitan. I could be very wrong about this of course, but tassel loafers to me suggest no socks, linen pants, unstructured jackets, and yeah - lose the tie.
ok, but I wasn't talking about tassel or bit loafers, I was talking about the shoes I linked in this post ( http://www.styleforum.net/t/375309/noodles-good-natured-advice-thread-improving-a-business-wardrobe/23235#post_7863491) which are penny loafers.
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^ Hmmm. From my time in New York, I always got mixed feelings about the whole "status symbol" thing. On the one hand, a lot of bankers wore them. On the other hand, many of those same bankers much more frequently wore shoes that were considerably more expensive and far more subtle. Some people probably wear them to show off status, but I don't think that was their main purpose in NYC finance. Every banker knew every other banker could afford them, so it's not like wearing them was showing off.

I can see how in other parts of the country where they are a bit less ubiquitous, they might be more of a status symbol.

You're correct in that it is not a wealth status signifier. It signifies belonging to a group, nothing more. It's a uniform for NY bankers. You're the odd guy out if you don't wear them - especially when you travel by air! Just like the bank branded duffle/gym bag (preferably from a previous and now defunct but legendary bank; +5 cred points for Lehman, +20 for DLJ) or the off-white cheap tote to carry books to the Jitney on summer Fridays. But loafers just say "I'm part of your group, accept me."
post #23277 of 37396
@gdl203 or @unbelragazzo
Where do I go for group buying for Formosa suits. I am guessing you are not restocking on your website until the fall, right?

@noodlers
Given what I have with suits, does it matter if I go dark brown or black?
I am considering these two. Last? We will see.


Edited by The Noodles - 5/11/15 at 5:03am
post #23278 of 37396

Then you get to belong to the Formosa group.  It's smaller, but perfectly formed.

 

And if you like the last, get both.  Though for business wear, I'd take the brown one without the medallion.

post #23279 of 37396
I like penny loafers and tassel loafers. Sadly I've found it impossible to find a pair that fit my feet well. Maybe some Allen Edmonds in a wider last...


As a total aside, i was all set to go to school in Philly but recently got into a school in MA that's 30k a year cheaper because of all the funding they gave me.

I'd much rather be in Philly, but that's 120k total before interest which is stupid to pass up on. Money talks, i suppose.
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Noodlers: I am taking my children to Thailand for a holiday this summer - Phuket, lagoons area specifically.  I've never been before.  Inevitably I will investigate having a suit made.  Are there any of these tailors that would be worth my while? 

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