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This place sometimes....

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Shoe fit looks fine to me Noodles.
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Cox if it works for you then Mash'allah. It doesn't look too bad for Noodles either, but most 348 pics I see either crease across the toe cap, double crease across the vamp, or are loose in the heels.

 

 

 

These are my C&J Exmoors on the 348 last. I have a medium to narrow foot, very narrow heel, and long big toe. These fit me perfectly and have done so from day one. Note that this Scotch-grained leather is pretty thick and probably hasn't stretched much. Of course, these are derbies and so if they have stretched, I may not have noticed as much. Anyway this last certainly does work for me.

 

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What about if the facings touch when they are new? I just got 2 pairs of black (yes I did it) in Carmina rain. The 9 feels snug and my toes feel scrunched. The 9.5 feels good. I just fear after breaking in my foot will flop around.

 

I am a snug fit in Rain 9.5. Picked up a pair of cordovan oxfords in Rain, size 10 a little over a year ago. Sure, they were slightly roomy. So I just popped a good quality leather insole into them and they're golden. So if the 9.5 feels good to you Justin, I would say stick with 9.5 - there's nothing worse than scrunched toes.

 

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This place sometimes....

 

Agree. If a shoe is comfortable without being loose or having heel slippage, then it fits, regardless of whether the vamp has creased in one or two places. My humble opinion only of course.

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Noodles, C&J do plenty of width fittings.  The toes on yours look too long in the E fitting, so I'd suggest going down a half size and up a width to F, which will effectively make them the same size across the ball and instep, but 3mm or so shorter.

 

Carmina's Rain or Vass's F last will probably fit you in standard width just fine, but if you're not sure between 8 and 8.5 UK, try 42 as they're both reasonably generous.

 

N.B, for reference:

 

Standard width E, wide F, extra wide G:

C&J, Edward Green, G&G

 

Standard width E, wide EE:

John Lobb

 

Standard width F, wide G, extra wide H:

Church's, Cheaney, Alfred Sargeant, Grenson, Loake, Barker, Vass

 

Standard width D, wide E, extra wide EE/EEE:

Allen Edmonds, Alden

 

Weird stuff with numbers, 5 is medium I think:

Tricker's

 

So beware: E is wide for Murricans, narrow for most Englishers, medium for most of the expensive Englishers.  But as always, last shape is everything: Tricker's idea of medium is wider than Edward Green's, and a medium Vass New Peter is massively wider than a medium Vass U, in the forefoot.  So try stuff on.

 

And if they don't have the right fit in stock, don't size up and width down, wait for the right size: although a 10.5D will feel as good or better than a 10E when I try it on, after a little wear, the slightly longer toe will start to look increasingly detached and odd, and might start biting the toes too.

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Exquisite Trimmings is clearing out grenadine at less than 45 bucks each after VAT is removed. Picked up two.
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huh? they fit him fine

I agree, which is why I said they don't look bad.
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Exquisite Trimmings is clearing out grenadine at less than 45 bucks each after VAT is removed. Picked up two.

 

Yarrr, so I logged on and scored some half price peccary gloves and a nice Coxy-sez-FU tie.

 

Thanks for the heads-up.

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Would it be just too cleverley ironic for me to stuff the peccaries into my breast pocket and sit on the Wall for upcoming summer Pitti?

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These are my C&J Exmoors on the 348 last.

I'd love me a pair of Exmoors. I think the 348 last goes great with the thicker sole and wider welt. It masks the otherwise elongated look.

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Trying to diagnose fit over pictures is pretty dumb, unless its egregiously obvious. The bespoke makers on this board don't even like evaluating fit with pictures only and always give disclaimers.

Fit is 3-dimensional with a countless number of true metrics that can't be represented through a photograph, which anyone who has gone thru bespoke fittings would know. Plus fit is also extremely personal with everyone having different levels of tolerances at each variable.
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I think those Hallams look like they fit fine Noodles.

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Noodles, C&J do plenty of width fittings.  The toes on yours look too long in the E fitting, so I'd suggest going down a half size and up a width to F, which will effectively make them the same size across the ball and instep, but 3mm or so shorter.

Carmina's Rain or Vass's F last will probably fit you in standard width just fine, but if you're not sure between 8 and 8.5 UK, try 42 as they're both reasonably generous.

N.B, for reference:

Standard width E, wide F, extra wide G:
C&J, Edward Green, G&G


Standard width E, wide EE:

John Lobb


Standard width F, wide G, extra wide H:

Church's, Cheaney, Alfred Sargeant, Grenson, Loake, Barker, Vass


Standard width D, wide E, extra wide EE/EEE:
Allen Edmonds, Alden

Weird stuff with numbers, 5 is medium I think:

Tricker's


So beware: E is wide for Murricans, narrow for most Englishers, medium for most of the expensive Englishers.  But as always, last shape is everything: Tricker's idea of medium is wider than Edward Green's, and a medium Vass New Peter is massively wider than a medium Vass U, in the forefoot.  So try stuff on.


And if they don't have the right fit in stock, don't size up and width down, wait for the right size: although a 10.5D will feel as good or better than a 10E when I try it on, after a little wear, the slightly longer toe will start to look increasingly detached and odd, and might start biting the toes too.

Awesome insight, Uncle Nemo! Appreciate it! But those Hallams are UK8.5F.

I know I am all over the place but been looking at SuSu and can't find a dang suit that I like. Will look at Kent Wang but my budget is only 500USD.
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Late to the party and missed the horsebit loafer debate. Gucci horsebit is a classic and fits nicely in the preppy casual environment as @PCK1 referenced. You can find many of preps that may wear Clappy approved boat shoes by day and Gucci horsebit by night. I don't condone the fashion forward Gucci horsebits and actually didn't like the G&G version as they do come across too "fancy."


I think any other brand comes off more in the vain Clappy mentions including Ferragamo.
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Hi
can these loafers be worn with a jacket, wool ( or linen) trouser and tie, or they are too casual? In a casual setting obviously.
http://www.pediwear.co.uk/loake/products/103.php
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