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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post

Gents

I must say that I am strangely attracted to this tie from the distance shot; and then I see the closeup...

http://www.exquisitetrimmings.com/products/Ties/Navy-Houndstooth-Printed-Wool.html

Thoughts?

Same here when I saw the close up it reminded me of space invaders lol.
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Thread Starter 
Oh, earlier in this thread there was talk about the different grenadine mills. Bianchi makes the prometeo and piccola and Fermati makes the grossa and fina.
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

@Sundance, I personally do not have an issue with a brown tie worn with black shoes. Others may disagree and it is perhaps a bit of a contentious issue, but I think you'll be fine. If you want to take extreme caution, don't do it, but otherwise I think you can be fine. That said, most outfits where a brown tie works can also take brown shoes so it may be a moot point.

I'm curious about this anti brown tie/black shoe view (with which you disagree). Is there something particularly off putting about brown tie with black shoe (contrast brown suit with black shoe). Is brown in some sense inherently country so that it speaks against black shoes? I can feel, though not articulate, why the brown tie/black shoe might in some way be jarring (e.g. that the better choice would be an appropriately complementary shade of brown in the shoe). That said, one wears a host of colors for ties with black shoes.

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Oh, earlier in this thread there was talk about the different grenadine mills. Bianchi makes the prometeo and piccola and Fermati makes the grossa and fina.


I was interested in people's sense of the weaves from both or whether, as it seems, the choice is mostly made on the basis of large/small and then color available from each mill.

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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post
 

I'm curious about this anti brown tie/black shoe view (with which you disagree). Is there something particularly off putting about brown tie with black shoe (contrast brown suit with black shoe). Is brown in some sense inherently country so that it speaks against black shoes? I can feel, though not articulate, why the brown tie/black shoe might in some way be jarring (e.g. that the better choice would be an appropriately complementary shade of brown in the shoe). That said, one wears a host of colors for ties with black shoes.

 

My personal opinion is that it stands out the same way that a brown belt with black shoes does and gives the perception that you do not know what you are doing.  That said, I'm sure there are examples of people pulling this combination off where the execution on everything else is flawless.

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Queestion.
For CBD, navy suits are my staple.
Do I get a black pair of oxfords or a dark brown oxford? Which wud be more versatile?
I think that Milton(?) Thread starts off with FOR CBD BLACK IS MORE FORMAL.
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Originally Posted by Rudals View Post

Queestion.
For CBD, navy suits are my staple.
Do I get a black pair of oxfords or a dark brown oxford? Which wud be more versatile?
I think that Milton(?) Thread starts off with FOR CBD BLACK IS MORE FORMAL.

 

Black oxfords first. I think this is especially true for how CBD you are. It's Manton not Milton lol. You could stand to go to his profile BTW and just read through nearly every thread he's every started. He is very CBD and knowledgeable.

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My personal opinion is that it stands out the same way that a brown belt with black shoes does and gives the perception that you do not know what you are doing.  That said, I'm sure there are examples of people pulling this combination off where the execution on everything else is flawless.


My worry about this logic is that one can make the same argument for any non-black colored tie (e.g. burgundy ties don't work because we don't match burgundy belts to black shoes...agreed). But I agree that it is a bit jarring for some reason.

 

Maybe the point is only that there is a better choice, namely that the shoe can complement the tie, and that black and brown just don't complement each other well, (again cf. brown suit with black shoes). An appropriate brown shoe (not fully matched in color) is often a better choice.

 

Actually, I like that: opting for maximizing coherence and complementarity.

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post
 

 

My personal opinion is that it stands out the same way that a brown belt with black shoes does and gives the perception that you do not know what you are doing.  That said, I'm sure there are examples of people pulling this combination off where the execution on everything else is flawless.


You're not wearing a leather tie.

 

That said, a brown tie is a stretch with black shoes for me, because they lend themselves to a color palette that leaves out stark white. I think I'd prefer a brown tie on a blue shirt, rather than white, and if you dress American (or at least, not stereotypically English) enough that a blue shirt points you towards brown shoes, it's not crazy.

 

I could see brown tie, blue/white bengal stripe shirt, gray suit, and black shoes looking great, though.

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Originally Posted by Rudals View Post

Queestion.
For CBD, navy suits are my staple.
Do I get a black pair of oxfords or a dark brown oxford? Which wud be more versatile?
I think that Milton(?) Thread starts off with FOR CBD BLACK IS MORE FORMAL.

 

It depends on your work environment.  I'm in a CBD work environment, but wear my brown captoes significantly more than my black ones.  In fact, I do not think I've worn black shoes with my navy or mid-grey suits in more than a year.  I'm sure there will be an occasion formal enough in the future where I would do so, but it's pretty rare for me.  On average, I wear black captoes with a charcoal suit a couple times a month and brown captoes a couple times a week.  One other thing to point out is that my primary pair of brown captoes are fairly dark and I never wear light tan shoes with a navy suit.

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Dark brown it is!

I think a black pair of oxfords will be too dang formal...but I get that it should be the starting point. 

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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post
 

I could see brown tie, blue/white bengal stripe shirt, gray suit, and black shoes looking great, though.

Depending on how dark the gray is (you're thinking more charcoal?). I still think a dark brown at the bottom and a lighter brown on top would be preferable than black on the bottom. But they both might look sharp: a set of pics is necessary here!

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I've never done brown belt and black shoes, or vice versa. I think they should be consistent. Black black? Black belt.

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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post
 


My worry about this logic is that one can make the same argument for any non-black colored tie (e.g. burgundy ties don't work because we don't match burgundy belts to black shoes...agreed). But I agree that it is a bit jarring for some reason.

 

Maybe the point is only that there is a better choice, namely that the shoe can complement the tie, and that black and brown just don't complement each other well, (again cf. brown suit with black shoes). An appropriate brown shoe (not fully matched in color) is often a better choice.

 

Actually, I like that: opting for maximizing coherence and complementarity.

 

 

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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post
 


You're not wearing a leather tie.

 

That said, a brown tie is a stretch with black shoes for me, if only because brown ties lend themselves to a limited color palette that excludes black and stark white. I think I'd prefer a brown tie on a blue shirt, rather than white, and if you dress American (or at least, not stereotypically English) enough that a blue shirt points you towards brown shoes, it's not crazy.

 

I could see brown tie, blue/white bengal stripe shirt, gray suit, and black shoes looking great, though.

 

I think you both took my analogy a little too literally.  To be clear, I'm not suggesting you match your tie to your shoes.  Rather, I am saying that - in my opinion - a brown tie with black shoes looks off and that some may perceive it as being a faux pas in the same category as wearing a brown belt with black shoes, especially if there are other issues with the execution of the fit.  I think the risk of this perception decreases the more well executed the other elements of the fit are.

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I will be meeting Mr. Noodles later today. That is all.
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