or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe) - Page 153

post #2281 of 37396

Noodeles, what shoe size do you wear?

post #2282 of 37396

Also, are you on team round toe or team square/chisel toe?

 

 

 

 

 

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 100

 

 

 

 

732-forest-negro-rain-2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1383337900

 

 

 

 

900x900px-LL-c43601dd_IMG_20140103_091352627.jpeg

 

post #2283 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudals View Post

Screw that. I got mine own clique~ nest.gif


my clique > your clique
post #2284 of 37396

@archibaldleach @Claghorn @sugarbutch --Thanks for the advice! Updates below, though I tightened the list to 13 ties instead of 16 to make it slightly more manageable.

 

One additional question: do yall see any conflict in a fit containing a brown tie and black shoes, or vice versa?

 

 

 

Rules (Click to show)

Styles:

1. Solid

2. Repp stripe

3. Pindot

4. Neat

 

Colors:

1. Navy

2. Burgundy

3. Black

4. Brown

5. Gray

6. Dark green

 

 

Collection (Click to show)
(6) SOLID
..........Navy
..........Burgundy
..........Black
..........Brown
..........Gray
..........Green
 
 
(2) REPP
..........Navy
..........Brown
 
 
(2) PINDOT
..........Navy
..........Black
 
 
(3) NEAT
..........Navy
..........Burgundy
..........Green
post #2285 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post
 

Question: would brown captoe oxfords be useful in a shoe collection that already has....blah blah blah

 

Of course they would.  Unless you're part of some weird new SF ascetic tendency that says men should only have three pairs of shoes.  Or, maybe, ten or something.  Since when were shoes an either/or?  How many shirts you got?  And loads of those are probably the same.  Shoes, man.  Get more shoes.  These AND some more countrified derbies.  Because this is Styleforum, and shoes are loved, and changed daily like socks and ties and stuff.  Fucking YES!

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

Thanks, I've been looking for a pair of reasonably priced long wings/gunboats for a while now, so I guess you're right on that one.

 

Also wholecuts, adelaides, balmorals, double and single monks, royal, full, half and quarter brogues (oxford and derby), Norwegians (split toes and construction), Belgian, Venetian, tassel, penny and Prince Albert loafers, double soles, haf soles, long boots, short boots, balmoral boots, chukka boots, Osloer boots, spectators...a lot of spectators....how much longer you need to think about this?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudals View Post
 

II still don't understand why derbies' are not CBD and my apologies to Monkeyface for not understanding it but I like this derby.

Bradford main image

But I think I should go for this

Cardigan 4 main image

 

Right, back to Noodles' shoes: what we have here is your sub-conscious starting to tell you useful things instead of recite advertisements from GQ.  Your brain is telling you that there is something wrong about pair number one, and it is that a cap toe is a more formal style - CBD indeed, while a derby is less formal.  We will come back to that.  Then what you have picked out instead, despite having expressed no prior interest in a more country look, is a full or wingtip brogue.  Which works perfectly well as an oxford or derby.  Why?  Because the elements are consistent: a brogue is traditionally a heavier country shoe, thereby having a consistency of purpose with the casual derby.  Yet it is also well-established as an option with a suit, particularly in oxford form, where the two styles cross over.

 

I would generally say still that an oxford brogue would be better for your CBD needs than a derby.  But then I would also be full of crap, because I have a full brogue derby that I wear with a suit.  It's on an elegant last, it's black and shiny, and the brogueing, double sole and open lacing do not diminish it: it's a little like the concept of wearing brown shoes with a business suit, in that it could be seen as less formal, but provided it retains some dressy elements (in this case, being black and shiny and elegantly-shaped therefore very much NOT a country brogue), it works.  That's also a matter of personal style.  I think a heavier shoe might be something you enjoy the look of.

 

Now of course there's a contradiction there because I just said mixing formal and casual in one shoe was why yours weren't right.  But you just have to trust me here, that breaking rules is better when it is preceded by their understanding. I think you can get away with the second shoe here as a very deliberate rule-break.  But it does look pretty "country", and I'm not sure if the last shape is consistent with your CBD.  I'd suggest you perhaps look again and get a black oxford brogue on a prettier, dressier last, if the design appeals - and no reason why it shouldn't.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudals View Post
 

are my RLBL derbies that bad?!

 

Derbies vs oxford

to a commoner like me, they just look the same and I just cannot figure out what makes an Oxford more formal. 

 

Closed lacing makes a neater shape across the top of your foot and the overall effect is more elegant.  Open lacing is designed to make it easier to put your shoes on and take them off, especially with thick socks, when you've stood in some cow shit or whatever.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudals View Post
 

Denver Cap-Toe Shoe - Ralph Lauren Dress - RalphLauren.com

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

Those are fine Noodles. Made by Sassetti in Italy

But $1250 retail??

 

Madness.  Listen to JRD, and see previous suggestions to LTBR: $1250 would buy a different pair of shoes for every day of the working week, and none of them any less attractive or well-made than these - or at least two pairs of real stunners.  Stop looking at the labels, Noodles, and look at the damn shoes.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post
 

Also, are you on team round toe or team square/chisel toe?

 

 

cf. Monkeyface above: the correct answer is "both".

post #2286 of 37396
@Sundance, I personally do not have an issue with a brown tie worn with black shoes. Others may disagree and it is perhaps a bit of a contentious issue, but I think you'll be fine. If you want to take extreme caution, don't do it, but otherwise I think you can be fine. That said, most outfits where a brown tie works can also take brown shoes so it may be a moot point.

@Rudals, suits on a daily basis are a fact of life for you. Oxfords are more CBD than derbys and are traditionally considered more appropriate with suits. Disregard this if you like, but if you are wearing suits on a regular basis, you really should just suck it up and buy the sorts of shoes that are actually designed to be worn with suits. Others have explained the whole closed vs. open lacing point and the Manton thread cited is useful too, so I'm not going to get into it. Ultimately, if you are actually making the effort to buy new stuff, why would you want to waste time and money on things that are sub-optimal?
post #2287 of 37396
Sundance, that list seems good to me.

Everyone talking about captoe derbies: Please. A sleek example is perfectly fine with a suit. This is America, dammit.
post #2288 of 37396
Thread Starter 
Is there no #teambicycletoe?
post #2289 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

Is there no #teambicycletoe?

50ca969bec031.jpg
post #2290 of 37396
Thank you to all who commented on shoes. I want to punch myself for making such stupid purchases before I joined SF.

I've gots a lots to learn, still a lots. Aw dear lawrd...
post #2291 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudals View Post




I've gots a lots to learn, still a lots. Aw dear lawrd...

oh-lawd-thumb.jpg
post #2292 of 37396
lurker[1].gif

ROFL. JRD~ you is too funny~lol8[1].gif
post #2293 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

50ca969bec031.jpg
That...might cost you about $1,500...for economy!!!
So I'd just stays home if I is you.
post #2294 of 37396
Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post

Noodeles, what shoe size do you wear?
10D for then ill fitting useless derbies.
post #2295 of 37396
Quote:
why would you want to waste time and money on things that are sub-optimal?

:)

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post
Please. A sleek example is perfectly fine with a suit. This is America, dammit.

 

This is Styleforum, dammit.  Why would we suggest he buy anything that's "perfectly fine"?  "This is America" (or insert country of choice) is an invitation to the average.  No, sir, Noodles must be elevated beyond.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Classic Menswear
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › Good Natured Advice Thread (improving a business wardrobe)