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It's so weird to me that people still care about where people went to college after a certain point. 

It's a very country specific thing as well. In the US and UK it matters very much, same for France, but for other European countries it matters much less where you went to school.

In Holland, for example, no one cares where you went to school, and in general people don't talk about it or make it an important factor in professional or social life.

On the other hand, in the UK, you'll have people from Oxbridge who only talk to other people from Oxbridge, and still talk about those 3 years they spent there 30 years after the fact, and probably work in firms that only hire Oxbridge people. Groupthink much?

I think a large part of what went wrong with banks before the financial crisis is actually due to this groupthink, caused by only hiring people from similar backgrounds. Luckily things are a bit more diverse now.
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How do you mean? You just don't list your education on a resume?

No. In my field, they care more about 1) if you have a CPA and 2) your skills/experience.

Where I went to school is rarely talked about at interviews. 

What I did and what I can do is talked about more.

 

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It's a very country specific thing as well. In the US and UK it matters very much, same for France, but for other European countries it matters much less where you went to school.

In Holland, for example, no one cares where you went to school, and in general people don't talk about it or make it an important factor in professional or social life.

On the other hand, in the UK, you'll have people from Oxbridge who only talk to other people from Oxbridge, and still talk about those 3 years they spent there 30 years after the fact, and probably work in firms that only hire Oxbridge people. Groupthink much?

I think a large part of what went wrong with banks before the financial crisis is actually due to this groupthink, caused by only hiring people from similar backgrounds. Luckily things are a bit more diverse now.
Korea is just like this. They're a group oriented society. 
post #22623 of 37392
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Originally Posted by The Noodles View Post
 

No. In my field, they care more about 1) if you have a CPA and 2) your skills/experience.

Where I went to school is rarely talked about at interviews. 

What I did and what I can do is talked about more.


That's good. In a perfect world that would be what matters most. Unfortunately there is a very real difference in the quality of education you can get out there. I strongly believe that you get out of it what you put into it, though. If you work hard and are dedicated you can get a good education at most schools. My strategy has been to kick ass where I'm at right now so I can get into a good Ph.D program. Going from U of L to a prestigious program at U of C, or Northwestern would be a feat. The chances are slim, though.

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It's also an industry specific thing. Programming interviews are notorious for just giving you an interview assignment and seeing how you do. They don't even care if you haven't graduated from high school if you can solve their puzzles.

 

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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post


It's a very country specific thing as well. In the US and UK it matters very much, same for France, but for other European countries it matters much less where you went to school.

In Holland, for example, no one cares where you went to school, and in general people don't talk about it or make it an important factor in professional or social life.

On the other hand, in the UK, you'll have people from Oxbridge who only talk to other people from Oxbridge, and still talk about those 3 years they spent there 30 years after the fact, and probably work in firms that only hire Oxbridge people. Groupthink much?

I think a large part of what went wrong with banks before the financial crisis is actually due to this groupthink, caused by only hiring people from similar backgrounds. Luckily things are a bit more diverse now.

 

It's also a field specific thing. I work at one of the best hospitals in the country and some of the surgeons here are from some of the worst schools. They did AMAZING on national exams (i.e. top score in the country that year) and it doesn't haunt them.

Also, the ivy league schools aren't all top rated in medicine as some state schools are powerhouses (see UCSF, UCLA, U Pitt, Iowa, Minnesota, etc). The name and the reputation might sway the average person, but in medicine there's a lot of variability on strength of residency/fellowship that is different than the medical school. That matters much more frankly.

I went to one of them doodad small elite NE liberal arts colleges. I mostly went because it was the cheapest school I got into after financial aid. Otherwise I would have gone to penn state. I actually might have done better at PSU academically (less other big fish), which would have helped more for med school apps than the name of the school i came from.

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That's good. In a perfect world that would be what matters most. Unfortunately there is a very real difference in the quality of education you can get out there. I strongly believe that you get out of it what you put into it, though. If you work hard and are dedicated you can get a good education at most schools. My strategy has been to kick ass where I'm at right now so I can get into a good Ph.D program. Going from U of L to a prestigious program at U of C, or Northwestern would be a feat. The chances are slim, though.

Hope you make it. 

I am absolutely done with school. No idiot is gonna get a PhD in Accounting. 

Accounting is weird in that you learn a lot on the job. School did teach me the foundation but I learned majority of what I know on my job. 

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In other news, buying flights is infuriating.

Found a good price on weds night for NYC->Istanbul->Delhi and back from Delhi->NYC and wanted to talk to a friend that visited istanbul. Went back to buy tickets the next night and they were 400 bucks higher! WTF!

 

From 1250 to 1600... Tickets to India RT are about 1k. So if the istanbul thing isn't cheaper next tues/weds, I'm just going to say screw it and just go to India and add a country in SE asia instead.

post #22627 of 37392
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

In other news, buying flights is infuriating.

Found a good price on weds night for NYC->Istanbul->Delhi and back from Delhi->NYC and wanted to talk to a friend that visited istanbul. Went back to buy tickets the next night and they were 400 bucks higher! WTF!

 

From 1250 to 1600... Tickets to India RT are about 1k. So if the istanbul thing isn't cheaper next tues/weds, I'm just going to say screw it and just go to India and add a country in SE asia instead.

I know all about this since I had to buy 2 tickets to a foreign country not too long ago. The prices would fluctuate by the hour! We learned when it peaked and when it dipped and bought it when it was the lowest. 

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Hope you make it. 

I am absolutely done with school. No idiot is gonna get a PhD in Accounting. 

Accounting is weird in that you learn a lot on the job. School did teach me the foundation but I learned majority of what I know on my job. 

 

Both my in-laws are accountants. They have their own business and I doubt they would ever go back to school. There is simply no need. All they need to do is take care of their continuing education requirements and keep taking care of their clients. Some of whom have been with them for decades.

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I'm just going to say screw it and just go to India and add a country in SE asia instead.

 

Thailand. :slayer:

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I am just trying to get this picture into my album. Please ignore.

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Thailand. :slayer:

 

Current plans are:

US->Istanbul->Delhi->Travel within india and maybe hit the foothills of the himalayas->Thailand->maybe vietnam/cambodia->Malaysia->Malaysian Borneo->Delhi->US

 

Leaving last may 27th and heading back july 20th.

I am beyond excited. 


Just gave notice at work a few days ago after telling them mid-late may a few weeks ago. 

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

 

Current plans are:

US->Istanbul->Delhi->Travel within india and maybe hit the foothills of the himalayas->Thailand->maybe vietnam/cambodia->Malaysia->Malaysian Borneo->Delhi->US

 

Leaving last may 27th and heading back july 20th.

I am beyond excited. 


Just gave notice at work a few days ago after telling them mid-late may a few weeks ago. 


Sounds like a great trip. I've only had a brief layover in Istanbul, but would have loved to stay longer. Never been to India but I've had a long vacation in Sri Lanka. If it's anything like that you should have a ton of fun. I highly recommend Thailand, but if you go be sure to get out of Bangkok for a couple days. Oh, and try the street food. Soooo good.

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Istanbul is awesome. Spent a week there in 2010 and loved it. Hit Cairo that same trip, about six months before all hell broke loose there.
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My kop rate is very slow but I'm steadily building my wardrobe thanks to this thread.

 

I appreciate all the input given to me a few months back.  

 

 

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Istanbul is awesome. Spent a week there in 2010 and loved it. Hit Cairo that same trip, about six months before all hell broke loose there.

 

Yeah, the other idea for the trip was to try to get to all the places that might not be worth visiting in the next decade. I'm Indian so I think I'd be fine going to Egypt, but I'd rather have fun and not worry about things past the normal stuff.

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