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post #20851 of 37395
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post


I think that people who purchase "Neapolitan" suits with italian sounding names, designed by a pre-IPO Dutch corporation and made in China, probably contribute more to the romanticized image of Neapolitan tailoring than those who decide they're going to give their business to actual tailors in Naples to keep that craft alive.

 

Yes, let's spend your entire wardrobe budget on two bespoke suits from Naples. Such good advice!

 

My statement was made in the context of people seriously advising a guy with zero tailoring experience who needs to wear a suit 5-6 days a week to fly to Naples and get two bespoke suits, while he could get 4-5 decent Suitsupply suits, and have enough money left over for 2 pairs of well made shoes and 10 shirts.

 

Bespoke might be nice, but it's not worth spending your entire wardrobe budget on two suits just to get bespoke. Anyone who gives that advice romanticises Naples/bespoke too much in my book.

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I definetly don't need to go bespoke (does anyone?), but I would just for the experience I reckon.

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As still very much a beginner after maybe two years of seriously wearing suits, my two pieces of advice for what it's worth are:

1) The things you buy first often fall out of favor as you learn more (here on SF and by simply wearing them) and I'd love to be able to trade in half of what I own for better fit, fabric, and function.

2) I had little choice but to go custom (either MTM or "bespoke") because of my short stature and although it's a valuable experience it seems I could have been a LOT better at directing the process if I had more overall suit knowledge from RTW's leading into it.

And as MonkeyFace said, don't forget about all the other pieces: shoes, shirts, ties, pocket squares - all of which take a lot of dialing-in, and hence time to get right.

So basically rather than splurging on a "wardrobe" all at once, even though it's really hard to delay pushing that pleasure button (TWSS), maybe buy a few things at a time, over a longer period of time, while doing as much research as you can stand before buying?
post #20854 of 37395

Not sure why you're so offended by someone providing an alternative to your "hey just buy 5 suits at Suit Supply... INSTAWARDROBE  bruh bruh" idea.  Slowly building up a wardrobe through bespoke in Naples is a definite option... heck if he wants he could buy one bespoke suit and then one SuSu suit... see what he likes then proceed from there.

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Not sure why you're so offended by someone providing an alternative to your "hey just buy 5 suits at Suit Supply... INSTAWARDROBE  bruh bruh" idea.  Slowly building up a wardrobe through bespoke in Naples is a definite option... heck if he wants he could buy one bespoke suit and then one SuSu suit... see what he likes then proceed from there.

The issue that others have is that it is not practical for the poster's budget and situation. If the guy was taking a job with a business casual wardrobe where he needed to be in a suit maybe once a week, it could be. He's not. He's taking a job where he needs to wear a suit daily and wearing each of his suits 2.5-3x a week (he'll at most be able to afford two suits from Naples and from less known tailors). Suits should not be worn 2.5-3x a week if you want them to have a full life. The suits from Naples will also blow the guy's budget for other things (not to mention what he could afford for the flight and hotel alone). His budget is 2,500 to 3,000 GBP for everything; spending any of that on flights and hotel reservations is insane.

The guy also doesn't know what sort of cut he prefers yet. He may not even like what the tailors in Naples generally do and may prefer something else. I just cannot possibly fathom how somebody thinks that flying to Naples to buy two suits is a good idea for someone starting his career who has a limited budget and needs multiple suits, shoes, shirts and ties. Nobody lacking an unlimited budget should do bespoke without knowing what type of cut they prefer at the very least, ignoring other knowledge that is probably wise to have.

I am very happy for you that you enjoyed your experience in Naples and saw some success from it and have enjoyed your posts on it, but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone.
post #20856 of 37395
Thread Starter 

Guys guys guys. Can we talk about what's really important?

 

@Jake Beds, what is your tie situation?

post #20857 of 37395
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post
 

Guys guys guys. Can we talk about what's really important?

 

@Jake Beds, what is your tie situation?

 

My tie situation is... I have no wearable ties... and I'm willing to splash the cash on new ones.

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Recommending bespoke in this situation is truly dreadful advice for at least several reasons. And that's not me being offended at an anti-SuitSupply recommendation. It's simply stating the recommendation is poor and should not be considered a viable option or given another moment of thought.

Continuing to recommend this bad option is completely against the purpose of this thread and is borderline spam at this point.
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Recommending bespoke in this situation is truly dreadful advice for at least several reasons. And that's not me being offended at an anti-SuitSupply recommendation. It's simply stating the recommendation is poor and should not be considered a viable option or given another moment of thought.

Continuing to recommend this bad option is completely against the purpose of this thread and is borderline spam at this point.



Dw. I've heard the consensus. While the elaborate option always excites me, I'm a fairly pragmatic person. I will be going to SuSu.

post #20860 of 37395
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My tie situation is... I have no wearable ties... and I'm willing to splash the cash on new ones.

Claghorn just stepped into a phone booth to put on his Superman cape after reading this.
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Thread Starter 
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Claghorn just stepped into a phone booth to put on his Superman cape after reading this.


That's exactly how I feel.

post #20862 of 37395
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Claghorn just stepped into a phone booth to put on his Superman cape after reading this.

 

I beamed a bat logo up into the clouds, but I'll take whatever I can get at this point.

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Hehe well all I really wanted was to just provide an exciting alternative :D

post #20864 of 37395
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Originally Posted by Jake Beds View Post

My tie situation is... I have no wearable ties... and I'm willing to splash the cash on new ones.

10 is a good number given your frequency of suit wearing, but you can probably get away with 7-8 to start. Stick to solids and subtle patterns in conservative colors for now. Save the fun stuff for when you have a larger wardrobe.

I am a big fan on Sam Hober, but $80 or so per tie may not be practical now.
post #20865 of 37395
Thread Starter 

I think 10 is a great number, but that 8 is a reasonable goal. You could probably even get by on 7 (so two ties are out of the rotation each week).

 

I would argue for two solid silk ties, one solid wool tie. Three neats. Two stripes. Given that you're a well built fellow, 8.5cm is probably as narrow as you would want to go.

 

I'll be posting options for these momentarily. And will be considering value (price to quality)

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