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A willingness to shop at Jos. by the wealthy may be indicative of a person who doesn't put much importance in construction and details rather than be indicative of Jos.'s quality. For instance, if I was wealthy I would probably just have a plain ol refrigerator rather than the top of the line model. Why? Because it's a refrigerator, who gives a shit? Being rich doesn't necessarily translate into a love of bespoke, full canvas, suits.

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Like I said before, I see a lot of Jos.A.Banks at my company. From interns to the top man. They may have different priorities. Some people drive a nice car while sacrificing a bit on where they live. Some people live in nice houses while driving Hondas and Toyotas. I wonder who would actually stop and laugh at you for wearing a Jos.A.Banks suit. I've seen execs telling their secretaries to go out and get some suits from Jos.A.Banks when they have nothing before a big meeting. 

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One needs only look at those in the Forbes rich list to see that money does not imply an interest in style, dress, garment quality, etc. 

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I do have one item from Jos. A Bank: A full-length 100% cashmere topcoat in black. Sure, it was sized 4" below my accurate size while fitting like a cloak. But the fabric was actually pretty decent for Chinese cashmere. My tailor, who ultimately made it fit properly, could not believe I paid under $200 for it new in the store (some sort of sale was on).

 

So I suppose I could say Jos. A Bank is o.k. for a "beater" cashmere coat. I do find myself trying not to expose the inner label at times...

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That brings up an interesting point. The common advise around here is to tell new members not to buy anything until they know enough to know what they want, and can afford to buy something of decent quality. But what about when a member needs to wear a suit everyday NOW and doesn't have the money to spend on higher end stuff? I don't think anyone would judge you for going to Jos. in order to fill your need. If you can make those suits fit well, then you are winning half the battle already.

 

I think crusty owns a few of their suits and they look great. You just have to know what you're looking for. Some of their basic stuff is...fine. It's all about how things fit and how good your tailor is at making basic alterations.

 

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I do have one item from Jos. A Bank: A full-length 100% cashmere topcoat in black. Sure, it was sized 4" below my accurate size while fitting like a cloak. But the fabric was actually pretty decent for Chinese cashmere. My tailor, who ultimately made it fit properly, could not believe I paid under $200 for it new in the store (some sort of sale was on).

 

So I suppose I could say Jos. A Bank is o.k. for a "beater" cashmere coat. I do find myself trying not to expose the inner label at times...

 

If you care that much then just take it off...

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@LeBeef

 

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Piggy backing off this London talk, I'll be going to Paris this spring. First time there, and in Europe in fact. All of the travel books suggest "dressing up" while there in order to not come across as an oblivious American tourist. I'm usually just in button downs and jeans and curious if this would be out of place.

 

You will be disappointed to find out that most of the people you'll see in Paris are actually tourists or expats unless you leave the main drags. I really wouldn't worry about it. The actual French are usually really laid back, hence the whole "Effortlessly chic" thing. Jeans and whatever is fine. 

 

An article in the Economist cited a study that 70% of French restaurants serve frozen or pre-prepared foods (and that was my experience while living there) so do you research ahead of time and stock up on some goodies at the grocery store (cheese, terraine, pate, fruit, wine). That'll usually beat what you find at most restos on the strip (over priced and crappy) as a snack or lunch.

 

Be careful in the subway, bad types there, especially on any RER lines.  

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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post

I do have one item from Jos. A Bank: A full-length 100% cashmere topcoat in black. Sure, it was sized 4" below my accurate size while fitting like a cloak. But the fabric was actually pretty decent for Chinese cashmere. My tailor, who ultimately made it fit properly, could not believe I paid under $200 for it new in the store (some sort of sale was on).

So I suppose I could say Jos. A Bank is o.k. for a "beater" cashmere coat. I do find myself trying not to expose the inner label at times...

Some sort of sale at JAB? Please tell me more.
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All this talk about Jos. A Bank brings up something that's been said at times here and in many other places. An okay suit that fits you correctly is going to look better than a great suit that fits you poorly. Assuming the fabric isn't noticeably cheap looking and you get it altered to fit well, outside of a few snobbish places in the real world you'll be okay.

My issue with Noodles going there is that he is just all over the place when it comes to this stuff. He needs to actually sit down, figure out how many suits he wants to have long-term (taking into account frequency of wear and seasonality) and come up with an actual plan rather than this scatterbrained crap. One day it's wear grey odd trousers with shirt and tie sans jacket to work. Another day it's SuitSupply. Another day it's Formosa one he loses weight. Noodles, figure out what you can afford to spend over the next year. An actual number. You're an accountant for goodness sakes. If you need to shop at SuitSupply / Jos. A Bank to have an acceptable rotation, do it. If you don't need to do so then don't. You like the nicer stuff and appreciate the differences, so even if others don't care you very well may. I don't like the idea of buying things that you plan to replace in short order with something better. If you need something cheaper for say 2-3 years, that's one thing, but if you're replacing it within the year it seems like a false economy and poor idea.
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Some sort of sale at JAB? Please tell me more.

 

Assuming I'm not detecting sarcasm there...

 

My accountant told me it was gangbusters on topcoats at JAB, some time in January. In the store everything was marked "buy one get one" or somesuch thing. Online, however, straight markdowns. I showed them the price online, found the best fitting example, and they honored it. There was some double-markdown happening as well. Still, at the price I paid, I had a hard time believing anyone actually payed the $1000 sticker price.

 

My first and only trip to JAB. And not a bad one.

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Dress for the real world - Ancient Chinese proverb
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Noodles, figure out what you can afford to spend over the next year. An actual number. You're an accountant for goodness sakes. 

Realistically, 1 suit that is worth around $2,000 or more. But we all know that's stupid. Spending all my budget on one suit when you're rebuilding is just a bad decision. Since my goal is to fill in the gap, I say take that $2,000 and find as many gap fillers as possible. I am considering Suit Supply (most convenient) and Kent Wang (best bang for your money). 

 

I wasn't going to JAB to buy but to check them out. But it looks like I got too much work on my plate...and I am on SF. LOL

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Realistically, 1 suit that is worth around $2,000 or more. But we all know that's stupid. Spending all my budget on one suit when you're rebuilding is just a bad decision. Since my goal is to fill in the gap, I say take that $2,000 and find as many gap fillers as possible. I am considering Suit Supply (most convenient) and Kent Wang (best bang for your money). 

 

I wasn't going to JAB to buy but to check them out. But it looks like I got too much work on my plate...and I am on SF. LOL

 

I get my suits made in Thailand. My Bangkok tailor will actually be in Washington DC next Saturday, the 14th. If I remember correctly their suits run from about $230 for poly to about $1,000 for Zegna-tier fabrics. We're not talking Savile Row quality here, but all custom and they'll do whatever you tell them to (for better or worse). If it doesn't fit perfectly, they'll fix it for free and throw in something extra. Once they have your measurements you can email them orders.

 

Want a referral? Full disclosure, I get a free shirt out of it (and so would you if you refer anyone).

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Realistically, 1 suit that is worth around $2,000 or more. But we all know that's stupid. Spending all my budget on one suit when you're rebuilding is just a bad decision. Since my goal is to fill in the gap, I say take that $2,000 and find as many gap fillers as possible. I am considering Suit Supply (most convenient) and Kent Wang (best bang for your money). 

I wasn't going to JAB to buy but to check them out. But it looks like I got too much work on my plate...and I am on SF. LOL

So a closet of Formosas is not realistic (and unless your budget goes up over the next couple years will not be realistic). So you currently have:

- 3 Formosas that you want to get altered when you lose 10-15 lbs
- 1 Wedding suit
- 1 Beat up beater that doesn't fit you
- 1 Beater you want to start wearing soon

If Murl is giving you a really good deal on that one Formosa, I think you're crazy to not take it as a heavily discounted Formosa is way better bang for your buck than SuitSupply. Try to squeeze in 2 SuitSupply / Kent Wang suits as well (if you really need more suits, replace one of the SuitSupply suits with 2-3 from JAB). Lose the weight soon. You'll have 4 Formosas, 1 wedding suit, 2 SuitSupply suits and maybe one of your beaters left. If you have to wear odd trousers sans jacket on a Friday to prolong the life of your suits (not SF-approved but sometimes you have to do what you have to do), you at least have enough to survive. In 2016, buy 1 more Formosa, 2 SuitSupply / Kent Wang suits and retire your last ill-fitting beater.

If at all possible, I do recommend pushing your acquisition budget ahead further (it may mean your acquisition budget for suits becomes zero for the next 18 months) to get you to a better place more quickly. I've spent way more than my typical clothing budget in 2013 and 2014 to build up my wardrobe to a place where I'm pretty happy and am essentially paying for it by cutting my clothing budget by 2/3rds this year. Maybe that won't work for you for some reason, but you're way better off if you can get to the point in future years where you only really have to spend to replace things rather than still be adding.
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Originally Posted by The Noodles View Post

Realistically, 1 suit that is worth around $2,000 or more. But we all know that's stupid. Spending all my budget on one suit when you're rebuilding is just a bad decision. Since my goal is to fill in the gap, I say take that $2,000 and find as many gap fillers as possible. I am considering Suit Supply (most convenient) and Kent Wang (best bang for your money). 

I wasn't going to JAB to buy but to check them out. But it looks like I got too much work on my plate...and I am on SF. LOL

If you live and work in DC you can get away with wearing a cheap suit. Nobody will ever know the difference except for you.
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