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post #18721 of 37408
To chime in re: wearing a parka to work - I do it when the weather turns to shit. peepwall[1].gif
Here's an OSC Cross parka that I picked up from Epaulet - I love this thing. It's warm, comfortable, and certainly not Michelin Man puffy and it's long enough to wear a suit jacket or sport coat underneath.

I am wearing a suit in the picture. With that, I do concur that a good overcoat should be part of the winter rotation as well.
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post #18722 of 37408
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Originally Posted by TM79 View Post


Only you know, man. Unless you're qualified and in a position to also move up I'd say the mostly likely outcome is A.

Are you in good standing with them? Will it benefit them to take you along for the ride, so to speak?

Yes, only I would know best.

But the broken record has been playing, "you will be filling my position when I move up" ever since I got hired.

It would be extremely out of their character for them to hire a replacement when I am already doing the job. 

The investment that they've made in me would be just tossed out the window and I would just quit.

But I cannot say that it will be a shoe in for me just because I know there are improvements that I need to make. 

I am in a fairly good standing, except that I don't play politics.

I just do my work and get along fine with my team. But I don't partake when it comes to politics.

post #18723 of 37408
Same here - I don't feed the bureaucracy machine by playing the game and as a result have watched some real droolers move up over me. I do fairly well - well to the point where I've decided not playing the game is worth missing out on some extra money but keeping my sense of self fully intact.

I've also watched quite a few of them eventually get laid off because they bullshitted too hard and got in over their heads.
post #18724 of 37408
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Originally Posted by The Noodles View Post
 

Yes, only I would know best.

But the broken record has been playing, "you will be filling my position when I move up" ever since I got hired.

It would be extremely out of their character for them to hire a replacement when I am already doing the job. 

The investment that they've made in me would be just tossed out the window and I would just quit.

But I cannot say that it will be a shoe in for me just because I know there are improvements that I need to make. 

I am in a fairly good standing, except that I don't play politics.

I just do my work and get along fine with my team. But I don't partake when it comes to politics.

 

There's your mistake. Office politics are an important variable for success in lots of office jobs. Others will try to take credit for your work, blame you for their mistakes, brown nose the higher ups or talk shit about you behind your back. That guy that's talking to the boss the whole time during office drinks? You'd think it wouldn't work, but guess who gets the higher bonus at the end of the year, regardless of performance?

 

I'm not saying you should do those things, because they're awful, but there are ways of showing people you're valuable to the company. I have no idea what that would be for you, as I'm not an account and can't tell you how to do your job, but I'm sure you can find out. Hell, perhaps you're already doing it.

 

Mediocre performance and excellent politics will often beat excellent performance and mediocre politics. Refuse to play the game and you'll get hurt. My dad didn't play politics, until he found out the CEO was hiding significant losses and was going to Board of Directors to blame my dad and get him fired the next day. Guess who was sitting at the table next to the directors when the CEO came in for the meeting? You'd think stuff like this doesn't happen at the upper level, but sadly it does. 

post #18725 of 37408
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SIDE QUESTION:
My boss' boss got a big @ss promotion (will be 2nd highest in the company) and it is highly likely that my boss will also get a promotion. What will happen to me?
a) Nothing. A replacement will come in and fill the position left void by my boss.
b) Get promoted.
c) Get fired. 


D. Burned at the stake.
post #18726 of 37408
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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post
 

 

There's your mistake. Office politics are an important variable for success in lots of office jobs. Others will try to take credit for your work, blame you for their mistakes, brown nose the higher ups or talk shit about you behind your back. That guy that's talking to the boss the whole time during office drinks? You'd think it wouldn't work, but guess who gets the higher bonus at the end of the year, regardless of performance?

 

I'm not saying you should do those things, because they're awful, but there are ways of showing people you're valuable to the company. I have no idea what that would be for you, as I'm not an account and can't tell you how to do your job, but I'm sure you can find out. Hell, perhaps you're already doing it.

 

Mediocre performance and excellent politics will often beat excellent performance and mediocre politics. Refuse to play the game and you'll get hurt. My dad didn't play politics, until he found out the CEO was hiding significant losses and was going to Board of Directors to blame my dad and get him fired the next day. Guess who was sitting at the table next to the directors when the CEO came in for the meeting? You'd think stuff like this doesn't happen at the upper level, but sadly it does. 

Different culture. There's never a happy hour with the entire team. It's usually the staff. 

As for someone taking credit for my work or something, that is just nearly impossible because my work is too specialized that everyone knows that it is my work. (I may have unintentionally built it so that no one can jump jump into my shoes) :lol:. My boss is a straight-shooter and keeps his distance with his staff that "hanging out" will do no good nor does he even "hang out." 

 

I get what you are saying but I have to tell you it is a different culture and things are pretty straight forward. Just bunch of dudes crunching numbers and not a lot of gossiping or being a jerk. Also, I've made it this far without playing the politics game. Like @TM79 said, I have seen the YES MEN move up the ladder when they don't have the skills to retain that position only to burn and crash. 

post #18727 of 37408
I'd agree politics are important, but I think there are more and less ethical ways to play the game. One can be friendly, likeable and acquire a good reputation without brown nosing or throwing others under the bus. I think most people who dislike "office politics" really dislike the idea of being an unethical douche. Some of office politics is really just good social awareness and smart management up and down. I've always tried to find common ground and interests with people above and below me in an office environment, mostly because when you are working long hours with people, it's nice to have things to talk about and figure out how to enjoy each others' company. I generally avoid crying wolf to people junior to me / making up fake emergencies out of respect to them, but a side benefit is when you have a reputation for not crying wolf and tell someone you need something quickly, they get it's serious (plus they probably appreciate you being one of the few who doesn't stress them out with fake emergencies). Sometimes you do a favor for someone because it builds social capital, especially if it is something you can handle without too much time or trouble. Sometimes you ask for a tough assignment because it shows initiative and ambition even if it's going to result in a less than fun week or month. Yeah, there may be some political considerations involved, but mostly if you are trying to better yourself, be friendly, find common ground with people and treat them with respect, you'll probably get some of the advantages of playing politics without the ethical quandaries.
post #18728 of 37408

Someone mentioned Eidos overcoats from NMWA earlier, and I think this one looks nice: http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/blue-donegal-tweed-single-breasted-overcoat-19-oz-wool.html
But I'm wondering, is it too formal to be worn over casual outfits (for instance: a shirt, sweater, wool pants, and chukkas)? Because that's mostly how I'd be using it.

post #18729 of 37408
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Someone mentioned Eidos overcoats from NMWA earlier, and I think this one looks nice: http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/blue-donegal-tweed-single-breasted-overcoat-19-oz-wool.html
But I'm wondering, is it too formal to be worn over casual outfits (for instance: a shirt, sweater, wool pants, and chukkas)? Because that's mostly how I'd be using it.

 

Not to my mind.  The cut's on the formal side, but the fabric puts it more toward the casual spectrum of classic menswear, so I think there's a lot of versatility there.   

post #18730 of 37408
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Originally Posted by Xposure View Post

Someone mentioned Eidos overcoats from NMWA earlier, and I think this one looks nice: http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/blue-donegal-tweed-single-breasted-overcoat-19-oz-wool.html

But I'm wondering, is it too formal to be worn over casual outfits (for instance: a shirt, sweater, wool pants, and chukkas)? Because that's mostly how I'd be using it.

Neil Watson from A and H Mag was wearing his at Pitti that way and I thought it looked great.
post #18731 of 37408
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Originally Posted by Xposure View Post

Someone mentioned Eidos overcoats from NMWA earlier, and I think this one looks nice: http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/blue-donegal-tweed-single-breasted-overcoat-19-oz-wool.html

But I'm wondering, is it too formal to be worn over casual outfits (for instance: a shirt, sweater, wool pants, and chukkas)? Because that's mostly how I'd be using it.

Could be personal preference but I think these types of coats always look a bit weird over an outfit that's too casual. I feel like they are made to go over a suit or a SC.

I'd rather use something like the SS Juncus coat to go over an outfit like what you described.

But again, could just be a preference thing ...
post #18732 of 37408

Well, it seems my size just very recently sold out, so it's not really an option anymore I guess. Certainly was tempting.

 

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Originally Posted by TM79 View Post


Could be personal preference but I think these types of coats always look a bit weird over an outfit that's too casual. I feel like they are made to go over a suit or a SC.

I'd rather use something like the SS Juncus coat to go over an outfit like what you described.

But again, could just be a preference thing ...

 

This one? http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/clothing/outerwear/juncus-coat-in-rust-soft-wool-with-diagonal-twill-stitching.html
Doesn't look bad, but is the color as versatile as navy? Also, I really don't understand their sizing, could you explain if possible?

post #18733 of 37408
http://www.styleforum.net/t/358758/no-man-walks-alone-official-affiliate-thread/18240

Here is a page with a lot of Juncus action.

IV = 38R (ish)
V = 40R (ish)
VI = 42R (ish)
VII = 44R (ish)
post #18734 of 37408
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

http://www.styleforum.net/t/358758/no-man-walks-alone-official-affiliate-thread/18240

Here is a page with a lot of Juncus action.

IV = 38R (ish)
V = 40R (ish)
VI = 42R (ish)
VII = 44R (ish)


Thanks! Unfortunately, they don't have my size in stock with this coat either. Might've been a bit too SWD for my taste anyway. Here's another one which I like the look of: http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/clothing/outerwear/brown-herringbone-virgin-wool-overcoat.html
Though, I pose the same question as I did with the coat from Eidos: is it too formal? The fabric looks kinda casual, and it has that whole patch flap pockets thing going on.

post #18735 of 37408
Personally, I think it is too formal, and this is coming from someone who had one. But I guess it depends on your personal style.
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