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jfrater, you seem hell bent on cheerfully spending thousands of dollars so others can voyeuristically watch you crash and burn.  You aren't gaining a sense of style (much like an fat person doesn't gain a better appreciation of food gorging at a buffet) because you are simply buying for the pleasure of buying; or worse buying to please others.  You have no style, much as you might spend.  Men who do don't need to buy at the clip you have, especially based on the advice of others. 

At the end of the day you will buy what you want, with whatever fleeting pleasure it may continue to bring you. Or, you will read this post, and take it as it is meant to be taken, which is in the spirit of trying to help you.  Slow the fuck down.  Spend some time putting together outfits from the ridiculously outsized and expensive clothing and shoes you have.  Pay enough attention to what you own to get it tailored properly.  Buy shoe trees for every pair you own, not just some of them.  You may or may not have a sense of style after a few months or years of this, but as others have posted, you will probably make some better decisions with a bit of time and perspective.

You may or may not follow the advice above or the more politely worded advice that is in a similar vein to what I have read posted since you have begun your recent spending spree.  No skin off my back either way, but note that there has been a growing number of posters here that have been quietly appalled by  your wasteful spending.  It has kind of been like watching an elderly person with dementia shit themselves. 

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I think we all agree that there will be errors and garments that are suboptimal after going through the process a number of times, whether mtm or bespoke with the benefit of a wonderful tailor. I don't think one should get the most expensive because you can. The rate of error should be a factor at the beginning and thats why I've said that a local tailor either the mystery Auckland tailor or pjohnson would be great for jfrater. Someone local with whom he can build a relationship and them if he wants to venture out into more expensive larka on the side, even early in the process, I'd endorse going with an established tailor.
Frankly, I think @in stitches with panta and Ed is a good example of such a relationship that has developed along the lines I'm recommending
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Can't deny that. I don't even really care what anybody else can do out there, because I can imagine commissioning anything from anyone other than Ed.

Gringo, youre on your own there. No one here that I am aware of is voyeuristically trying to watch jfrat crash and burn. And this is something that I would not normally say because I try to be nice, but after reading what you had to say, and your accusation that he has no style, from what I've seen the past few fits that he has posted up are better than anything I've seen from you. No need to come in here and hate on the parade.

It would be nice if this supposed growing number of appalled numbers voiced their opinion here, because you're the first one to mention it.

The elderly dementi comment was also completely uncalled for.
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Originally Posted by gringodaddy View Post

jfrater, you seem hell bent on cheerfully spending thousands of dollars so others can voyeuristically watch you crash and burn.  You aren't gaining a sense of style (much like an fat person doesn't gain a better appreciation of food gorging at a buffet) because you are simply buying for the pleasure of buying; or worse buying to please others.  You have no style, much as you might spend.  Men who do don't need to buy at the clip you have, especially based on the advice of others. 
At the end of the day you will buy what you want, with whatever fleeting pleasure it may continue to bring you. Or, you will read this post, and take it as it is meant to be taken, which is in the spirit of trying to help you.  Slow the fuck down.  Spend some time putting together outfits from the ridiculously outsized and expensive clothing and shoes you have.  Pay enough attention to what you own to get it tailored properly.  Buy shoe trees for every pair you own, not just some of them.  You may or may not have a sense of style after a few months or years of this, but as others have posted, you will probably make some better decisions with a bit of time and perspective.
You may or may not follow the advice above or the more politely worded advice that is in a similar vein to what I have read posted since you have begun your recent spending spree.  No skin off my back either way, but note that there has been a growing number of posters here that have been quietly appalled by  your wasteful spending.  It has kind of been like watching an elderly person with dementia shit themselves. 

I am not quite sure why anyone would be appalled at what I am buying but you can at least rest assured that I am now focussing on getting advice from a tailor and doing just what you suggest: trying to put together stylish combinations of what I already have.

I have actually slowed my shopping down considerably since reading this thread so I don't make stupid mistakes. I feel reasonably happy that my ties and shoes are now in excellent order smile.gif
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So is JFrater keen on doing Liverano suits? I haven't been following this thread.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to be flying the Florence for each fitting

There are a lot of other options in Oceania

Doesn't P. Johnson in Australia do Neapolitan-style bespoke? Phat Guido's suits were all P Johnson I believe: https://www.google.com/search?q=phat+guido+p+johnson&safe=off&rlz=1C1GGGE_en___US528&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=799&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ibPJVLOKI6_nsASvr4DwDQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

And then if you want to drop $1k on each airline roundtrip, there's BNTailor in Seoul and probably some good tailors in Tokyo...
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Auckland to Sydney is pretty cheap: http://www.hopper.com/flights/from-AKL/to-SYD/guide
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

So is JFrater keen on doing Liverano suits? I haven't been following this thread.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to be flying the Florence for each fitting

There are a lot of other options in Oceania

Doesn't P. Johnson in Australia do Neapolitan-style bespoke? Phat Guido's suits were all P Johnson I believe: https://www.google.com/search?q=phat+guido+p+johnson&safe=off&rlz=1C1GGGE_en___US528&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=799&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ibPJVLOKI6_nsASvr4DwDQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

And then if you want to drop $1k on each airline roundtrip, there's BNTailor in Seoul and probably some good tailors in Tokyo...

In time I would like to - I was planning a holiday to Italy later in the year and he's my tailor of choice if possible. At the moment I am dealing with someone local though.
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In time I would like to - I was planning a holiday to Italy later in the year and he's my tailor of choice if possible..

What do you like so much about Liverano?
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What do you like so much about Liverano?

The style of the jackets particularly - very classic and comfortable looking but fresh a well (it's hard to describe actually)
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Originally Posted by jfrater View Post

The style of the jackets particularly - very classic and comfortable looking but fresh a well (it's hard to describe actually)

"They are f*cking awesomse"....that's about all that needs to be said about Liverano's work.
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What do you like so much about Liverano?

I should say I do like other tailors too - I love Rubinacci for their more rustic relaxed stuff - incredibly unique.
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"They are f*cking awesomse"....that's about all that needs to be said about Liverano's work.

You put it much better than I can smile.gif
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Unique would be one word for Rubinacci. 

 

I hope you actually do like the house cuts of Liverano or Rubinacci, and not just falling for igent/tumblr-sphere bandwagons. 

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Unique would be one word for Rubinacci. 

I hope you actually do like the house cuts of Liverano or Rubinacci, and not just falling for igent/tumblr-sphere bandwagons. 

I do honestly smile.gif I dress nicely by choice - I work from home and can wear what I like but I choose to wear a tie everyday. Liverano and rubinacci both seem to me to be very comfortable and relaxed clothing - more suitable for my lifestyle than the likes of Anderson a Sheppard etc. I don't want to look like Gordon Gecko / I want to look like I belong in a jacket and tie and feel comfortable so doing.
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