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If I took quick video of it outdoors would it be more helpful for judging the fit? This is bothering me now frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Isolation View Post

If I took quick video of it outdoors would it be more helpful for judging the fit? This is bothering me now frown.gif

No, wait till it's light tomorrow. Stand outside, somewhere where the sun shines. Have someone else take a picture of you from a reasonable distance, about chest height camera level. Take a pic from the front as back, maybe one in motion as well. It's not rocket science.
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...and please stand in your natural and resting position.
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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

How about you stop buying shoes for a while and learn to work with what you've got? How many shoes are still in the mail/being made for you at the moment? 15 pairs?

I think I have about 15 wending their way to me. I did pick up a few extra yesterday from the advice here smile.gif For now I am going to hold off until I find a perfect St Crispin's in my size (impossible right now for some reason) or I hear back from one of the bespoke guys.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Go for a dark chocolate suede captoe with brouging and a toe medallion. Will be a beautiful and perfectly versatile shoe.
Good kop.

This is the closest I can find to what you are suggesting but it's a derby not an oxford:

http://leffot.com/shop/index.php/shoes/saint-crispin-s/316-kud-078.html
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Originally Posted by Isolation View Post

I don't think it fits better at all frown.gif it's just farther away and it's harder to see. Even then you can see the lapels bowing out. The armholes are also really off when I move, one thing I like about my jackets is that they look decent in motion, even if I move my arms up and stuff. I rarely find similar on OTR stuff. Buttoning point also a bit low too. To prove it I might go take a better picture next time for comparison tongue.gif

Okay say, what do you not like about the jacket pt silhouette from these?






To me, these largely capture what I want, sure maybe ill figure out what I want to do with the waist suppression and I might well ask to have that relaxed, And also fuller trousers, but like I said this is largely it, and everything else to me seems good, and also greatly superior to the SS stuff which I found to fit much worse, and for the same price and worse material too. In fact I really like the shoulders, the drape/swell, and really just the general silhouette of them. The pulling seems relatively subtle. They're also very comfortable, and don't get into a weird shape when I move (no lapel bowing unevenly instead the drape kind of folds on itself naturally a bit if I cross my arms and the lapel remains straight and retains a nice line no bending, no collar gaps. I like the skirt/quarters too. I'd really like a specific critique in these features because to me this looks quite a lot like what I want, and I'm as of yet unable to comprehend their inferiority.

And also as much as people comment on the pull on the buttoning point, I've scoured the forums and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one with some pull there, including some highly praised jackets from the DB thread. Like, it's natural for there to be some pull, even some of the steed or huntsman ones I've seen have it, and well, I can't see a notably more severe case of it on my jackets. They literally just look fine to me, I still don't see it.

Also my vision is definitely not GQesque >.< I just emulate different stuff I see and sometimes it's #menswear. I never did that with anything from GQ though.

I am not as keen on the blue in the second photo as I am on the rest. The rest look brilliant on you IMHO. Picture 3 is gorgeous!
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Originally Posted by jfrater View Post

This is the closest I can find to what you are suggesting but it's a derby not an oxford:

http://leffot.com/shop/index.php/shoes/saint-crispin-s/316-kud-078.html

http://www.thearmourystore.com/us/artisans/carmina/carmina-rain-10051-oxford-rubber-sole-captoe-brogue-suede-brown

Here you go. Pretty sure Stitch used to have these.
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Originally Posted by jfrater View Post

I think I have about 15 wending their way to me. I did pick up a few extra yesterday from the advice here smile.gif For now I am going to hold off until I find a perfect St Crispin's in my size (impossible right now for some reason) or I hear back from one of the bespoke guys.

Very wise decision. See how you like your 20 new pairs first before you buy more. Wear them at least twice so you can see what you like/don't like about each particular model and last, and what you can wear it with. Should take you at least 2 months.

If I'm correct, you're getting close to 60 pairs of shoes here. This means you can wear every pair once every two months, or 6 times a year. It might be smart to start looking at the extra utility you gain by buying even more shoes at this point in time.
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Originally Posted by Murlsquirl View Post

http://www.thearmourystore.com/us/artisans/carmina/carmina-rain-10051-oxford-rubber-sole-captoe-brogue-suede-brown

Here you go. Pretty sure Stitch used to have these.

I like those a lot but I want hoping to get a pair of St Crispin's at this point (though there doesn't seem to be anything in my size around at the moment). Nevertheless, I don't have any like this so I have bought them. Thanks for the suggestion smile.gif
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Iso, those are probably the best pictures you've posted since joining StyFo. All of them appear to fit much better than we've been led to believe. Even the RAF blue sportcoat with its excessive suppression ain't bad.
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Originally Posted by jfrater View Post

This is the closest I can find to what you are suggesting but it's a derby not an oxford:
http://leffot.com/shop/index.php/shoes/saint-crispin-s/316-kud-078.html

V nice, but like you said, not sure the derby is going to lend itself to you wearing it with a suit. Probably not.
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http://www.thearmourystore.com/us/artisans/carmina/carmina-rain-10051-oxford-rubber-sole-captoe-brogue-suede-brown
Here you go. Pretty sure Stitch used to have these.

Had em and loved em, but I got the wrong size so I had to sell them.
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Originally Posted by jfrater View Post

I like those a lot but I want hoping to get a pair of St Crispin's at this point (though there doesn't seem to be anything in my size around at the moment). Nevertheless, I don't have any like this so I have bought them. Thanks for the suggestion smile.gif

Well, I know what its like to want a specific brand, so I cant fault you for that. However, the GG St James or St James II in mole suede would be perfect, as would the Vass dark brown suede medallion cap toe, which you can MTO from NMWA. I know because I just did that. : )

Edit, HANJOY THE CARMINAS!!!!
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In the same vein as what Monkey and Murl said above, part of the beauty of shoes is wearing them. Although I may be in the minority, I think the most enjoyable aspect of shoe ownership is breaking them in, and wearing them. Having a rotation of 60 pairs of shoes really, really betrays what in my opinion is the whole point of buying shoes of high quality.

Looking at your shoe wardrobe the other day, honestly, I thought you had a whole lot of bases covered. I did not really think you "needed" anymore. But then again, I have about 20 pairs of shoes, and I haven't bought a pair of dress shoes in around 4 years.

Only through wear do shoes develop a patina. And only through wearing shoes do you really understand what you like. For example, I haven't worn my AE strands in the better part of a year. I also rarely turn to my shell loafers. And 99% of the time, I prefer wearing suede. In the abstract, it is very easy to apply "rules" and "advice" to your wardrobe. But it is a lot more difficult to understand what you like.

I echo the advice of others. Go bespoke at this point. However, again, determine whether you have the patience to wait 6 months+ without kopping.

As an example, these are about 5 years old, and more beautiful than the day they were purchased.

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I dont think I will ever have 20 pairs of dress shoes. :/
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

I dont think I will ever have 20 pairs of dress shoes. :/

Regardless, beyond 60, you are blindly accumulating. If you have the means, and some patience, I just do not see why you would not go bespoke.

Although I do support some Saint Crispy's.
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Originally Posted by jfrater View Post

I like those a lot but I want hoping to get a pair of St Crispin's at this point (though there doesn't seem to be anything in my size around at the moment). Nevertheless, I don't have any like this so I have bought them. Thanks for the suggestion smile.gif

Awesome. Glad I could help.

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I dont think I will ever have 20 pairs of dress shoes. :/

I don't ever want 20 pairs of shoes.

Newcomer, I absolutely love those Dovers. I've been torn on my next shoe purchase, but have narrowed it down to EG Dover or Ashby. Are those burnt pine?

Jfrater, you clearly have $ burning a hole in your pocket. Feel free to send some this way!
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