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Let me know if you'll part with the brown.

Sure, shoot me a PM.
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Kira, pretend like you have all the money in the world. Find ten ties on eBay and post them here. With pictures, so we don't have to click through. Then we can look at what you chose to figure out what your tastes are when money isn't an issue. We can determine what features you like in a tie and we can point out what makes these ties worth buying.

After doing that, don't bother with any tie that doesn't possess those qualities, regardless of how cheap it is. If that means you only buy two ties a semester, so be it.

 

All right. I just went through 30,000 of them; and I placed many in my watch list.

 

The starting two shirts that I commissioned are pink and blue in these shades:

 

 

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These ties are based on these two colors:

 

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Edited by Kira - 12/12/14 at 8:48pm
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I know nears are great but I would not have more than 25% of my ties be them unless I had a huge collection. Am I weird?
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1, 2 & 8 are ok (2 is the best one) IMHO. The rest range from meh to downright ugly. NB, I don't care much for most jacquard ties.
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1, 2 & 8 are ok (2 is the best one) IMHO. The rest range from meh to downright ugly. NB, I don't care much for most jacquard ties.

 

 

Interesting.

 

Why are the rest either meh or ugly? I'm just curious..

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Kira, pretend like you have all the money in the world. Find ten ties on eBay and post them here. With pictures, so we don't have to click through. Then we can look at what you chose to figure out what your tastes are when money isn't an issue. We can determine what features you like in a tie and we can point out what makes these ties worth buying.

[...]

 

While on the topic of ties, and neats in particular, there’s topic I’ve wanted to broach but couldn’t, until now, find a thread into which it might politely fit.  Perhaps this is it, since there’s an offer on the table to evaluate the worthiness or otherwise of individual ties. 

 

I’d like to bring up the topic of the geometry of neat ties, in particular the relation of the individual elements to the rows and columns of the design; I've been thinking about this since a very brief discussion I had with sugarbutch over on WAYWRN a few months ago.  Obviously there are many other variables (size of the individual elements and color, for instance), but here I’m interested in just two:  the number of distinct elements, and whether adjacent rows are vertically aligned or not. 

 

Here are a few examples of what I’m talking about.

 

With a single element in each row:

 


With two elements in each row:

 

And so forth.

 

I find I’ve developed a slight preference for unaligned rows, which can result in interesting diagonal relations which counterpoint the more obvious horizontal and vertical relations of the rows and columns, although I have ties in other patterns and more which I also like enough to wear.

 

Any thoughts?  Anyone think that some are, all other factors being equal, more tasteful than others, for example?

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Interesting subject. Anyone interested in a lecture about Gestalt Theory? wink.gif
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Interesting subject. Anyone interested in a lecture about Gestalt Theory? wink.gif

 

Absolutely.

 

I know a bit about it myself, but mostly in terms of its early history in the German-speaking world.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac


Edited by Academic2 - 12/13/14 at 9:16am
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OK, IIRC it is something like this:

During visual perception our minds tend to group individual elements into wholes (Gestalts).

The Gestalt Theory describes the processes by which this grouping occurs. There are six major principles:

 

 

 

The principle of proximity states that individual elements are associated more strongly with nearby elements than those farther away.

The principle of similarity observes that elements that share basic visual characteristics (shape, size, colour, texture, orientation) will be associated more strongly than when they differ along these dimensions.

The principle of continuity describes the preference for continuous, unbroken contours with the simplest possible physical explanation, rather than more complex, irregular figures.

The related principle of closure describes the tendency to interpret visual stimuli as complete, closed figures, even when some of the necessary contour is absent.

The principle of area states that the smaller of two overlapping figures will tend to be interpreted as figure, while the larger is interpreted as ground.

Finally, the principle of symmetry describes grouping based on the emergent properties of the form, instead of its constituent parts. The greater the symmetry of a possible figure, the more likely we are to use it as our interpretation of the whole.

 

I think it's rather fascinating to see that all of these principles play a role in our appreciating neat ties. :teach: 


Edited by EliodA - 12/13/14 at 9:57am
post #16015 of 37395
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I know nears are great but I would not have more than 25% of my ties be them unless I had a huge collection. Am I weird?

 

Well, I think that a case could be made that a conservative neat is one of the most versatile tie patterns, working in a broad variety of different contexts, arguably excluding only the most casual. 

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Interesting.

Why are the rest either meh or ugly? I'm just curious..

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All right. I just went through 30,000 of them; and I placed many in my watch list.

The starting two shirts that I commissioned are pink and blue in these shades:

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These ties are based on these two colors:

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Nice "fun" tie ("fun" because of its purpleness).

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Nice and subtle neat in a versatile base colour.

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Meh. White pindots are always preferable to any other colour. I wish I could state any other reason than just personal preference.

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Meh. The green base colour is really bland. This could work as a spring/summer tie, but would look better if it was printed IMHO.

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Meh. The baby blue and pink are boring as is, again very bland. If you add the herringbone pattern, it's just a boring tie. Looks pretty dated.

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Ugly IMHO. Boring colours, jacquard, boring pattern et c.

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Meh. Looks like a run of the mill boring and cheap tie. The colour combination isn't particularly exhilarating either.

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Nice and simple.

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Meh. Pattern more suiting for a woman's dress than a tie IMHO.

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Ugly. Too shiny, too jacquard-y, looks dated IMHO.

See answers in the quoted block above. This is a question of personal taste of course. Others may totally disagree with me.
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@EFV, I appreciate your response; and you provide well-written arguments. By the way, I bought tie #1 for $10! The seller marked it down $10 after I put it on Styleforum!

 

Here are more ties:


 

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Haha I wonder if I should respond to some of these tie questions. I think it'd break the thread.

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So Kira, why do you like those ties?
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Haha I wonder if I should respond to some of these tie questions. I think it'd break the thread.

 

No, give me your honest opinions. I'm here to read and learn.

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So Kira, why do you like those ties?

 

1. I'm going off of the two shirts I've commissioned .

 

2. I really like the patterns. In chronological order, my favorites are floral, polka dot, stripe, and solid. I rarely like paisley, but I enjoy what is going on with the navy/brown/white on #4. In the future, I'll purchase five of my favorite ties a month and start building a nice collection.

 

 

I have a question:

 

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Is it possible for ties like #12 to ever work? I have a feeling it is a "no" in this case, because the floral motifs are pointing in different directions. I'm going to have to post another floral tie in order for you to see my point.
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