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post #16 of 97
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Originally Posted by Academic2 View Post

 

I've only been here since the summer, so I have the perspective of a relative newcomer.  As such, I would have found it useful if certain important threads were "pinned" to the top of the first page, and a pinned FAQ ("Read This Before Posting") was at the very top.

 

There is some truly impressive and detailed information available here, but it's not easy to find if you're new.  That's a shame.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

For a variety of reasons, our software does not have "stickies" in the usual way, so that's not a technically feasible option.  However, I can see us "pinning" "Read this before Posting FAQ."  We've never needed that in the past, but with the forum the size it is now (we have 1.5 MM unique viewers and 10MM pageviews, a month), I can see how that might be quite useful.

 

Keep the ideas coming.  Thanks!

post #17 of 97
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Originally Posted by tj100 View Post

I would make two changes:

(1) somehow segregate (even if that means pinning to the top) the affiliate threads. I appreciate the affiliates, but they take up a lot of page 1 real estate (and have an incentive to keep themselves near the top).

(2) put a time bound on the really popular topics. The time should vary depending on popularity - I could see WAYWRN being rebooted as often as weekly.

I agree ... From my point of view there just needs to be a way to easily find the new threads around 10 affiliated vendor and about 20 brand-appreciation threads when logging in.
post #18 of 97
Great of you to chime in, Fok. My take on it:

1. You're right that things shouldn't be segregated more than it is, people will stop visiting certain areas.

2. Pinning may not be practical, but the ability for thread starters to edit their posts might be useful. It would somehow enable the thread starter to compile useful information as the thread grows. Many downsides to this (inactive thread-starter, abuse of privilege, etc.), but it could cut down on seeing/answering the same questions over and over. An example is the ebay buying/selling thread. I started it, but we see both new members with 1 post and vets with 5,000 posts asking introductory questions, which is fine. I've just noticed fewer people willing to answer in detail after the fifth time. If I had the ability to somehow compile/save useful answers as they roll in, we could directly link people to them rather than saying "use the search function."

3. I actually enjoy seeing the various affiliate threads and being introduced to new products/ideas. However, and I really don't know if this is possible, but requesting affiliates to refrain from cross-posting all of their products into different threads. I'll see a pocket square on Luxire or Passaggio's thread, and then I'll see it in the PS thread complete with links. I like both of these affiliates and their products, but I'd rather not see the same item(s) multiple times.
post #19 of 97
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Originally Posted by AlexE View Post


I agree ... From my point of view there just needs to be a way to easily find the new threads around 10 affiliated vendor and about 20 brand-appreciation threads when logging in.

Just to make this more concrete, could you give me an example, from page 2 and 3 of the CM forum. of threads that you'd like to see being more visible (say, on the first page?)  Can you think of why do you think that these threads are not getting traction?  I often see threads would one or two replies, and it's like no one cares.  Incidentally, this happens with our editorial content as well.  People sometimes read our researched articles on new brands, technical aspects of fashion.style, and there are a flurry of looks, and very little discussion.  And then nothing.

post #20 of 97
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Originally Posted by HansderHund View Post

Great of you to chime in, Fok. My take on it:

1. You're right that things shouldn't be segregated more than it is, people will stop visiting certain areas.

2. Pinning may not be practical, but the ability for thread starters to edit their posts might be useful. It would somehow enable the thread starter to compile useful information as the thread grows.  Many downsides to this (inactive thread-starter, abuse of privilege, etc.), but it could cut down on seeing/answering the same questions over and over. An example is the ebay buying/selling thread. I started it, but we see both new members with 1 post and vets with 5,000 posts asking introductory questions, which is fine. I've just noticed fewer people willing to answer in detail after the fifth time. If I had the ability to somehow compile/save useful answers as they roll in, we could directly link people to them rather than saying "use the search function."

3. I actually enjoy seeing the various affiliate threads and being introduced to new products/ideas. However, and I really don't know if this is possible, but requesting affiliates to refrain from cross-posting all of their products into different threads. I'll see a pocket square on Luxire or Passaggio's thread, and then I'll see it in the PS thread complete with links. I like both of these affiliates and their products, but I'd rather not see the same item(s) multiple times.

 

I like that suggest bolded, but it's technically not feasible.  Perhaps if we made or tasked a specific "dubiously honored" member to whom thread starters could submit revisions, and who would then implement them?

 

As for 3, that's something we are working on.  Traditionally (since 2006) we always allowed affiliates "reasonable" posting of commercial posts outside of their threads, but unfortunately, not everyone has the same idea of what is reasonable.

post #21 of 97
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

It's always been against the ethos of our forum to segregate threads.

Understood, and I understand why (and philosophically agree). However, at the same time, despite your best efforts, we've ended up in the worst possible scenario. We do have a forum with subforums - there's a Watch subforum called "The Watch Appreciation Thread" and a Tweed subforum called "The Tweed Appreciation Thread" and an Allen Edmonds subforum called "The Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread" etc. etc. etc. But as a result of the approach taken, these subforums masquerading as threads are so big and stream-of-consciousness 'organized' that they are not useful. I'm not advocating for subforums - I'd rather see these threads closed and restarted once they get too big, but by allowing them to get huge, what we have is subforums.
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

 Pinning is an interesting idea, but we actually dropped that idea.  Our main reason was to reward activity.  When a vendor thread is constantly on the first page, it's because the vendor is extremely popular.

Nobody appreciates the affiliate vendors more than I do (well, maybe LA Guy). But of the Affiliate Threads on the first page, all but one (ehaberdasher) have been bumped to the first page by their owner within the last 24 hours. That's not vendor popularity, per se, it's good marketing. I would do the same if I were one of them. It's a tough balance, because obviously we want the proprietors to be active and participatory, but there is also a limited amount of real estate. I don't know how we solve this one, but there's only room for 50 threads on Page One, and the balance of what appears there seems to be off.
post #22 of 97
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

I like that suggest bolded, but it's technically not feasible.  Perhaps if we made or tasked a specific "dubiously honored" member to whom thread starters could submit revisions, and who would then implement them?

As for 3, that's something we are working on.  Traditionally (since 2006) we always allowed affiliates "reasonable" posting of commercial posts outside of their threads, but unfortunately, not everyone has the same idea of what is reasonable.

That makes sense, I wasn't sure if it really was possible. If there are enough DHs that could/would keep up with things, that would be great. I suppose thread-starters could make requests within TransMod to have their thread kept by a DH. In turn you (plural) could assign it to someone. Maybe I'm making this too complicated, but I like the idea.

I don't think affiliates sincerely abuse their status, but it would be a step in the right direction towards streamlining information.

Also, BRILLIANT work on the save draft function. I no longer have to copy my longer posts in the case that my connection times out!
post #23 of 97
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Originally Posted by HansderHund View Post


That makes sense, I wasn't sure if it really was possible. If there are enough DHs that could/would keep up with things, that would be great. I suppose thread-starters could make requests within TransMod to have their thread kept by a DH. In turn you (plural) could assign it to someone. Maybe I'm making this too complicated, but I like the idea.

I don't think affiliates sincerely abuse their status, but it would be a step in the right direction towards streamlining information.

Also, BRILLIANT work on the save draft function. I no longer have to copy my longer posts in the case that my connection times out!

Well, just throwing it out there, but would you be amenable to being in charge of this task?  I've found that having one person in charge, perhaps with helpers, is always the best way to go.  If there are a group of people in charge, things don't work nearly as well.

post #24 of 97
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Well, just throwing it out there, but would you be amenable to being in charge of this task?  I've found that having one person in charge, perhaps with helpers, is always the best way to go.  If there are a group of people in charge, things don't work nearly as well.

I'd love to help out with it. I'll shoot you a PM to get some of the details!
post #25 of 97
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Originally Posted by tj100 View Post


Understood, and I understand why (and philosophically agree). However, at the same time, despite your best efforts, we've ended up in the worst possible scenario. We do have a forum with subforums - there's a Watch subforum called "The Watch Appreciation Thread" and a Tweed subforum called "The Tweed Appreciation Thread" and an Allen Edmonds subforum called "The Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread" etc. etc. etc. But as a result of the approach taken, these subforums masquerading as threads are so big and stream-of-consciousness 'organized' that they are not useful. I'm not advocating for subforums - I'd rather see these threads closed and restarted once they get too big, but by allowing them to get huge, what we have is subforums.

I feel that actively branching off side discussions would help this.  And both the mods and I would be willing to do this.  However, the forum is so large at this point that it is practically impossible for even a half dozen people to monitor even a large fraction of the threads.  If you could PM me or @emptym, or one of the dubiously honored (@unbelragazzo and @pocketsquareguy are the obvious ones), we'd be happy to do this.  I agree that this would make the discussions much easier to follow.

 

One of the great things that helped this forum flourish is that we don't try to keep discussions on topic (because this is not how discussions naturally progress.)  However, you are right in the at we've let slide the other side of this equation, which is to branch off subdiscussions into their own threads.

 

Incidentally, it would be great to have a dedicated person who would be in charge of vetting requests and implementing the reasonable ones.  This would really require good judgement and an even handedness (we wouldn't want a thread split up if there were just a few off topic posts, but maybe 20 posts off topic would be enough to start a new, vibrant, thread.)

post #26 of 97
How about a visual identification color system:

For example, new threads can be highlighted as green, and if they survive a week, transition to a blue (more established thread).

Affiliate threads can be in yellow for instance, and someone would instantly know it's an affiliate, not just a spam thread or brand thread.

Established brand threads can be red for example, and it would be easy to identify as well.

This way no one wastes their time, and finds what they are looking for quickly. Newbie threads can be easily seen, and addressed if desired. Should be a simple edit to the forum...
post #27 of 97
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Originally Posted by JubeiSpiegel View Post

How about a visual identification color system:

For example, new threads can be highlighted as green, and if they survive a week, transition to a blue (more established thread).

Affiliate threads can be in yellow for instance, and someone would instantly know it's an affiliate, not just a spam thread or brand thread.

Established brand threads can be red for example, and it would be easy to identify as well.

This way no one wastes their time, and finds what they are looking for quickly. Newbie threads can be easily seen, and addressed if desired. Should be a simple edit to the forum...

That sounds like a good idea, but it's actually a technical fix, and it's not that easy to implement.  There are a lot of politics involved in the allocation of engineering time.  I will bring it up though...  So, good idea, not as simple as one might think.

post #28 of 97
This may already be available I'm not aure but is it possible to see the country an affiliate / vendor is based in? Being in the UK I'm more likely to deal with UK based vendors and having a geographical search of vendors would be helpful
post #29 of 97
Is there a way to search threads by keyword? I know it was a function in an earlier version of SF. Very helpful in navigating threads with 1000+ posts.
post #30 of 97
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

Is there a way to search threads by keyword? I know it was a function in an earlier version of SF. Very helpful in navigating threads with 1000+ posts.

Yes, you can still do this.  You go into a thread, and use the "search thread" tool.  You can also, from the forum page, look at all the posts by user, etc...

 

BTW, for the advanced search, I always search "posts only".  It's unfortunately not the default, but it gets you what you want.  Also, worth using the typical booleans in your search.  

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