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post #61 of 89

As I buyer, I do check B&S once in a while but I too find the search function to be tiresome.

 

I typically use the mobile version of the site while on the run and one problem I've noticed is that search parameters are reset when navigating to the next page. For example, when I choose the category 'suits and blazers', 'sort newly listed' these go back to 'all' and 'newly updated' when going to the next results page. One of those annoying things that make you want to switch to eBay. This should be fixed.

 

Generally, I like the B&S. There are great sellers on eBay of course (many of which are here too), but B&S has a more of a fubu-feeling to it. If I ask a question, the seller often knows exactly what I mean as he is SF born and bred. I was not around for the above-mentioned supposedly amazing pricing so I cannot say anything about that, but I concur with the notion that as one's wardrobe grows one gets more picky and need the selection of a larger market (i.e. eBay).

post #62 of 89
This is a timely conversation for me. I'm in the market for a couple/few new pairs of pants, so I've been keeping an eye on B&S, and there just doesn't seem to be much of anything compared to the way it was when I first shopped there. Plus, I've got a pair of AEs I've been meaning to post for sale, but now I'm wondering if it will be worth it.

Interesting how much things have changed.
post #63 of 89
Any other suggestions? I don't want this to just drop off the radar as it needs attention.
post #64 of 89
How about a petition that can be submitted to the mods? I would sign it...
post #65 of 89
A petition isn't required...just send comments to LA Guy via this thread.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/164395/transparent-moderation-log-site-topics-part-ii/13860_30

The squeaky wheel will get the grease. If he hears from a lot of people he will do something. Fok is receptive to ideas that improve the forum.

I suggest you PM all of the major buyers and sellers to join in on the conversation.
post #66 of 89
How about a general B&S discussion thread on the main MC forum?

It would highlight the better deals that sometimes get missed and offer some conversation and gentle encouragement for people to kop.
post #67 of 89
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

as someone who used to sell fairly massive volumes, i think there's one primary answer, one that's already mentioned - the days of deep discounting NWT merchandise are over.

during the glory days of B&S the prices were truly ridiculous, and add to that the feeding frenzy PSA's when an e-tailer (or a B&M that took phone orders - these were the most hilarious) would try to clear shit out and get sledgehammered after someone posted a thread. people back then were very educated shoppers (still are) and they knew what a truly "oh shit" price was, and during the glory days, a great item was being offered at an "oh shit" price EVERY DAY. sometimes every hour on the weekends. the deals got so plentiful that i bet most of us who were around during those times increased their clothing budgets significantly (unreasonably?) because there were so many deals not to be passed up. i know i did - that's actually 100% of why i resold - to fund my own purchases. i never set anything aside, like Spoo did to get his Ferrari.

when i was selling, i knew that there was a price point at which i knew i could sell a NWT item pretty much immediately, as long as it was a desirable brand, color and size. John Lobb and EG at 5xx, RLPL suits at 5xx, Kiton/Charvet/Fray/Borrelli dress shirts in the very low 100's, and so on. i stayed away from Incotex because of fucking Daffy's and the expectations they created, though laugh.gif

the items being sold today are still great, but very seldom do i see the prices of yesterday. if someone were to sell something at those prices, i bet they will be snapped up just as fast.

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Originally Posted by pocketsquareguy View Post

Several reasons for higher prices on B&S:

The world changed when the recession hit. It had a huge impact on the price of used clothing. People began to place a much higher value on quality fashion and classic apparel. It isn't just on Styleforum lads, it is everywhere. Just look at the crazy prices women pay for used LV purses today verses a few years ago. Used Lobb shoes today are easily 2x what they were a few years ago on eBay.

Fashion prices have been climbing for luxury brands. A heavy Loro Piana cashmere sweater from 2 years ago might have been $1,500-$1800 where as today it is $3K. That has an impact on the used market. The prices for used or NWT cashmere luxury brands is way higher on eBay, B&S, everywhere...

Since the recession, most manufacturers and retailers have cut inventory of premium products. There are far less items to close-out at killer prices as in 2008. I don't mean regular 30% off prices I mean liquidation prices at a fraction of their original prices. There just isn't that much any more of the good stuff to liquidate.

If retailers feel they have surplus of luxury goods, they are cutting prices earlier in the season (such as pre-Thanksgiving this year) to be sure that if they discount it is only 20-30% and not the deeper sale prices.

All of this means that there are fewer guys getting true closeout prices that they can buy and flip here on B&S. There are some, but they are rare.


For me, these 2 posts sum it up. Its about price. No deals, no sales. End of story. I haven't bought anything on B & S in about 2 1/2 years, for whatever reason there aren't deals to be had so I don't even bother to look anymore.
post #68 of 89
Thread Starter 
I've noticed that I've been having much more brisk sales on eBay lately.

If the eBay market will accept a $25 to $50 price bump on a $500 item to help you offset the seller fees, then eBay is a better option than B&S at this point. A lot more people watching on eBay. This was my point about the Marlows. Fewer people watching the B&S on a regular basis because the search functionality that people want isn't there.

Just some food for thought....
post #69 of 89
I'm definitely starting to understand what people mean about the lack of deals.

There was a time that pastel cashmere ties could be had for a sum of $35.
post #70 of 89
This time went quickly.
post #71 of 89
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

I've noticed that I've been having much more brisk sales on eBay lately.

If the eBay market will accept a $25 to $50 price bump on a $500 item to help you offset the seller fees, then eBay is a better option than B&S at this point. A lot more people watching on eBay. This was my point about the Marlows. Fewer people watching the B&S on a regular basis because the search functionality that people want isn't there.

Just some food for thought....

I have to agree with this statement, although generally it only works with bigger name brands. More niche, SF approved stuff garners less attention.
post #72 of 89
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Originally Posted by inimitable View Post

How about a general B&S discussion thread on the main MC forum?It would highlight the better deals that sometimes get missed and offer some conversation and gentle encouragement for people to kop.

 

You should start this thread. In SW&D the "Someone should buy this" thread is one of the most popular and active. Other members highlight a deal on a desirable or interesting item either in B&S or elsewhere. It has the old community vibe to it that people say is missing from B&S, esp if there is a reco for someone specific who you know would really like something.

 

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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post

 

I don't really mind the presence of lots of Affiliate threads, etc on the CM forum. Commercialisation and monetisation aren't bad words IMO.

 

I agree. The affliliate threads are usually run by long standing forumites who are willing to share knowledge and participate in other ways besides selling goods (not everyone of course). It's easy enough to scroll past the more commercial threads if you want to -- plus any ad blocker will bring back that simple Styleforum v1.0 look if you're feeling nostalgic.

 

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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post

Long story short, too many B&S threads have diluted the experience.

 

It may have diluted the social experience -- the ability to browse your favorite poster, get a bro bump or find a surprise nugget buried in a thread with a lot of other things -- but the new system is much better for finding a single specific item. HOWEVER, I totally agree the search funtion could be improved (filter searches by size, brand, open listings, etc).

 

improving B&S may or may not be an objective for SF mgmt.. I don't know if they ever wanted to get into the online marketplace business. I do like having the B&S and usually check there when I'm looking for something. I also like the idea of trading within the SF community. But I also will shop anywhere and will just as easily click away to google to look for something I'm after. In the end, it's about finding the item vs. having an "experience".

post #73 of 89
Thread Starter 
An FYI, there's a new thread that came out of this discussion:


http://www.styleforum.net/t/374077/the-best-of-b-s-someone-should-buy-this/0_50
post #74 of 89
Interesting idea... I like it.
post #75 of 89
For me personally, the B&S forum changed dramatically when listings started carrying preview photos. Suddenly it became unnecessary to click on anything unless the photo looked interesting. It made the whole experience much less of a bargain hunt and more of a pixel hunt. That likely drove viewership down significantly. I certainly noticed that I didn't really care for most posts anymore.

The lack of a merit bump though, is what really hamstrung it IMO. As a buyer I could no longer "refer" items that I thought were great to others browsing, by simply bumping it with a post and letting it grab someone else's attention. It meant that I could no longer participate in an indirect discussion of what's hot and what's not. As a result, I didn't care that there was a good deal if it didn't apply to me, because I could not highlight it for anyone else.

All this translates to one thing: as a buyer I just don't care anymore. Sure, throw me a ridiculous price for something I want, and I'll bite. However, if it doesn't suit my size or my need, then it's another member's job to find it. It's akin to everyone riding public transit with headphones on: everything else is just white noise.

That and smartphones. I blame smartphones.
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