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post #4516 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

As to the drug testing...surely you can see a government hand out =! legal tax deductions? To allow this not to be challenged as a false equivalency is to continue to allow folks to make the case that everything we earn basically belongs to the government and we're allowed, no doubt due to governmental benevolence, to keep some of what we earn.

I suppose it depends on how you view some of those government transfer programs.

You could make an argument that the hand outs are simply a part of the tax system...they are tax credits so large that they turn your tax bill into a net positive amount. If that's the case, then why are you drug testing for one type of tax transfer payment, and not drug testing for another?

I don't think either should be drug tested, and I recognize that she is doing it as a farce, but the only reason it sounds funny is because of the framing.
post #4517 of 5110
Some people have this idea that income tax is a tax on your income. But actually the income all belongs to the government and it's the one being taxed when it gives you money by not taking it.

Hillary '16!
post #4518 of 5110
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

I suppose it depends on how you view some of those government transfer programs.

You could make an argument that the hand outs are simply a part of the tax system...they are tax credits so large that they turn your tax bill into a net positive amount. If that's the case, then why are you drug testing for one type of tax transfer payment, and not drug testing for another?

I don't think either should be drug tested, and I recognize that she is doing it as a farce, but the only reason it sounds funny is because of the framing.

I don't think either should be tested but I also have no patience for this mental gymnastics. Clearly, being allowed to keep more of what you earned is simply not comparable to receiving money other people earned. It's very frustrating for me, as someone that believes in a strong and rational social safety net (neither of which we have right now), to have to continually fight this battle also. I would construct a safety net designed to foster agency, autonomy, freedom, and an incentive to be productive to society in one way or another. This misframing actively defeats these goals as it readily convinces people a government hand out of tax dollars is equivalent to not being taxed on a portion of earned income.
post #4519 of 5110
Piob, you fucking socialist pinko. The commune is down the hall to your left. Eat shit you statist fuckpig.
post #4520 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Piob, you fucking socialist pinko. The commune is down the hall to your left. Eat shit you statist fuckpig.

It's not shit us statist fuckpigs eat but rather Soylent Green. Please proceed to the processing center, HB. I'm looking forward to booze flavoured tonight. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #4521 of 5110
Pigs eat and root in shit. That's a filthy animal. Capitalists got personality. Personality goes a long way.
post #4522 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Chaka Fattah (D) from Philly convicted on 23 counts including racketeering, fraud and money laundering. In one case, he is said to have used cash raised for an election campaign to pay off some of his son's student debt. Prosecutors also said he disguised a lobbyist's bribe as payment for a car he never sold.

Where's the headlines?

Doesn't fit the narrative.

They are definitely talking about it back home, though. And there is a cabal of current and ex local government officials who haven't been sleeping well over the last year. Chaka's transgressions amount to table stakes in comparison to some od the things happening in Philadelphia the last 20 years. An investigation with subpoena power and forensic accounting resources could blow the lid off that town.

This kind of shit is why staying in Philadelphia was never a consideration for me. It's infuriating too to see DeBlasio start to let in this kind of rot...
post #4523 of 5110
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It's not shit us statist fuckpigs eat but rather Soylent Green. Please proceed to the processing center, HB. I'm looking forward to booze flavoured tonight. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

 

Can't we send you back to Socialtopia?

post #4524 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I don't think either should be tested but I also have no patience for this mental gymnastics. Clearly, being allowed to keep more of what you earned is simply not comparable to receiving money other people earned. It's very frustrating for me, as someone that believes in a strong and rational social safety net (neither of which we have right now), to have to continually fight this battle also. I would construct a safety net designed to foster agency, autonomy, freedom, and an incentive to be productive to society in one way or another. This misframing actively defeats these goals as it readily convinces people a government hand out of tax dollars is equivalent to not being taxed on a portion of earned income.

I don't think that is the crux of that (entirely symbolic) proposal. More of a "what if it happened to you" or "let's aim the measure at the assholes who support it" kind of thing. We should drug test elected officials and gov employees. Maybe teachers, doctors and laywers.
post #4525 of 5110

I see a business opportunity here. A few months in a California beach town would be an ideal environment to prepare rich Canadians for re-entry . Commie local governments and all with side trips to Berkeley and SF. 50 k a month sound good? I'll start cleaning out  my tool shed 

post #4526 of 5110

I see a business opportunity here. A few months in a California beach town would be an ideal environment to prepare rich Canadians for re-entry . Commie local governments and all with side trips to Berkeley and SF. 50 k a month sound good? I'll start cleaning out  my tool shed 

post #4527 of 5110



Billboard courtesy of Rick Tyler, a third-party candidate for U.S. Congress.

http://newschannel9.com/news/local/congressional-candidates-controversial-billboard-has-polk-county-abuzz
post #4528 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I don't think that is the crux of that (entirely symbolic) proposal. More of a "what if it happened to you" or "let's aim the measure at the assholes who support it" kind of thing. We should drug test elected officials and gov employees. Maybe teachers, doctors and laywers.

The 1% really don't support or not support drug testing folks on the dole as the 1% are smart enough not to care as the % of tax revenues going to these programs is so negligible. Again, I totally get the message she's trying to send but I totally don't buy the two situations are equivalent and will point this out at every occasion.
post #4529 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

the % of tax revenues going to these programs is so negligible.

http://budget.house.gov/waronpoverty/

post #4530 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

http://budget.house.gov/waronpoverty/


The drug testing does not include all those programs. Seriously, in the grand scheme of government spending, the amounts are negligible involved.
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