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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I know someone who is a felon for drugs.  We have ban the box in MN already, and it has not helped him get a job because major companies will just reject a felon after the background check.

There are plenty of places that will hire him though: a lot of small businesses don't care that much as long as you can do the job.  The real solution is to not have drug possession/dealing be a felony.  We lock people up, costing tax payers a ton of money, for drug use (which criminalizing it doesn't stop), then we hamper their ability to get a job because it shows up on background checks.

The solution is also not to make the information publicly available, providing it doesn't pertain to the job (i.e. if you were dealing drugs you don't get to guard some drug bust deposit).
post #3422 of 5328
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is both perplexing and upsetting. http://www.vox.com/2015/11/2/9660282/obama-ban-the-box

Obama wants to fix things so job applications do not have the spot to disclose a criminal history. He wants to change it so the hiring process runs its course then run a background check. What a waste of fucking time and money. It seems the hope is that by getting to know the person an organization will overlook the fact they have a criminal record and hire them anyway. Oh damn I can just see the lawsuit the first time a new hire with a record does something...and it's not Barry they'll be suing.

Also, I like the term "mass incarceration." Yeah, we're just rounding up whole neighborhoods en masse to incarcerate now.

Give me a fucking break, the USA has incarceration rates so high the term is warranted, now if you discuss certain groups (i.e. lower class black males) the % get crazy. Considering this is part of the constant engagement of the judicial system with certain communities and of a systemic strategy of population control it becomes almost impossible not to use the term.
post #3423 of 5328
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Give me a fucking break, the USA has incarceration rates so high the term is warranted, now if you discuss certain groups (i.e. lower class black males) the % get crazy. Considering this is part of the constant engagement of the judicial system with certain communities and of a systemic strategy of population control it becomes almost impossible not to use the term.

That really puts the cart before the horse.

While I'm confident racial bias does factor somewhat into things, have we all given up on the idea that lower-class minorities just commit more crime?
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

That really puts the cart before the horse.

While I'm confident racial bias does factor somewhat into things, have we all given up on the idea that lower-class minorities just commit more crime?

  • Well what is considered "criminal" is important, it has expanded to a variety of actions considered socially harmful or even symbols of lack fo morals.
  • There is simply more policing for certain people and area, above and beyond the danger they present.
  • It has been part of a wider change, combining lowered social net with increased judicial action
  • Americans send a much higher % of people in prison than other developped countries
  • Americans have militarized their police forces to a scary point
  • It is apparently ok if cops shoot hundreds of people a year as long as they get home safely

Not that it is not that much a matter of the USA being different from other western countries than other western countries emulating US policies (so mass incarceration) with a certain delay and less fervour.
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Give me a fucking break, the USA has incarceration rates so high the term is warranted, now if you discuss certain groups (i.e. lower class black males) the % get crazy. Considering this is part of the constant engagement of the judicial system with certain communities and of a systemic strategy of population control it becomes almost impossible not to use the term.

It's not impossible not to use the term as I'm not using it.

I have a long term history here of being highly critical of the US police and court systems in regards to many things. I'm just not going to call something it's not because it's trendy in certain circles.
post #3426 of 5328
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

It's not impossible not to use the term as I'm not using it.

I have a long term history here of being highly critical of the US police and court systems in regards to many things.

As long as they get home safely at the end of the shift.
post #3427 of 5328
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

It's not impossible not to use the term as I'm not using it.

I have a long term history here of being highly critical of the US police and court systems in regards to many things. I'm just not going to call something it's not because it's trendy in certain circles.

I never understood it as qualifying a geographical and symbolic division (i.e. the ghetto)of incarcerating people but merely an acknowledgment of the sheer scale of incarceration in the USA by virtue of it being a large country but, more importantly, because its incarceration rates have been extremely high in the last decades (mass incarceration=sheer scale). Not sure if that is what you have a problem with, I don’t have a problem with “militant” sentences in several contexts but mass incarceration doesn’t even sound like one. It becomes more militant when you start to break down numbers and correlate mass incarceration with a diminishing of the social safety net and the “zero tolerance” discourse.


edit: ok, who gets incarcerated (marginalized populations) usually enters the definition of mass incarceration as it is currently defined (and not as a add-on) so, here you go. smile.gif

If you guys want to read on that, a good bibliography is available here (I particularly liked Loïc Wacquant's book " Punishing the Poor: The Neoliberal Government of Social Insecurity") there's a section on health is pio wants to read on that:

http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195396607/obo-9780195396607-0033.xml
Edited by Fuuma - 11/3/15 at 12:09pm
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Just sayin'.
post #3429 of 5328
"Free Shit and Criminality: a Study in Correlation."
post #3430 of 5328
1990-1995... gangsta rap made them do it
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-stands-by-pyramid-theory
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Carson Confirms He Believes Pyramids Were Built To Store Grain

Dr. Ben Carson on Wednesday night confirmed his belief that the pyramids in Egypt were built for grain storage by Joseph, the Biblical figure who helped the Egyptians survive famine, even though archaeologists have concluded that the pyramids were built as tombs for the pharaohs.

"My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain," Carson said in a 1998 speech surfaced by Buzzfeed News on Wednesday. "Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it. And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain."

In his 1998 speech, Carson also dismissed the theory that aliens helped construct the pyramids because "it doesn’t require an alien being when God is with you."

When asked if he stands by his 1998 comments by CBS News on Wednesday night, Carson said, "It's still my belief, yes."

The retired neurosurgeon said that "the pyramids were made in a way that they had hermetically sealed compartments."

"You would need that if you were trying to preserve grain for a long period of time," he said.

Jesus fucking Christ.
post #3432 of 5328
Carson is hilarious. This stuff isn't going to hurt him with evangelicals, but he's becoming less of a blank slate and more of an obvious loon. No way he ends up being the nominee. I'd bet on Trump before Carson.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Carson is hilarious. This stuff isn't going to hurt him with evangelicals, but he's becoming less of a blank slate and more of an obvious loon. No way he ends up being the nominee. I'd bet on Trump before Carson.

 

Neither one of them will win.  They've both peaked and got their 15 minutes.  I'll also suggest that the polling isn't even accurate of who people would actually vote for today.  The polls weren't very accurate for the 2015 elections, and my guess is that people are saying Trump or Carson as a sign of protest more than anything.  When push comes to shove in that voting booth, they will pull the lever for a more traditional candidate.

 

Rubio is the most likely nominee.  Kasich is the other one I've said has a shot, but he's insistent on going the Romney/McCain route of advertising himself as a moderate (he's actually much more conservative than he comes across).  Unless there is a huge upset in IA or NH it will almost certainly be Rubio.

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That's my read on it. Rubio seems like the only plausible candidate. Vegas agrees, and they're usually more reliable than the polls at this point.


We'll have to wait and see, but I wonder how this will translate into voter turnout. Republican voters don't seem to like the candidates representing the Republican party. Will they turn out in sufficient numbers to have a chance to win?
post #3435 of 5328
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I just sent this email to the owner and manager of my Downtown Oakland yoga studio owner:
"Hi ______ and _____,
I just read about this inspiring program that Interstellar Yoga did in Berkeley:
A Listening Forum for People of Color: "We, at Innerstellar, are committed to learn how we can better serve the people of color in our communities. As a predominately white teaching staff in a diverse area of South Berkeley, we recognize that we are a part of the systemic and institutionalized racism in our country. We want to listen to people of color’s experiences to help direct how we can shift and change that harmful system, right here in our own bodies and hearts, and in our beloved yoga studio. We want to make Innerstellar more inviting and inclusive to people of color, with a deep desire to help mend the hoop of the people that has been so bitterly broken and shattered time and time again. Simultaneously, we are holding an intent to create a scholarship program for our teacher trainings for people of color. Your honest feedback is essential as we embark on this journey. We need your help!" http://www.oaklandmagazine.com/…/Listening-For…/event/13257/
What do you think? Do you think our studio might be able to do a program like that? If you were interested, I'd be happy to help brainstorm or support through outreach or anything else that might be of help.
All the best,
It seems a little paternalistic to specify that they are raising money for a scholarship program for training yoga people of color. Who are these white people to dictate on what the people of color should spend their money? They should just give it to them.
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