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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Because you could be charged with a crime for destroying the hard drive, or it might be argued at trial that it's evidence of your guilt. Remember that cop who was convicted of murdering his wife a few years back, who had destroyed his hard drives?

Here's at least one example of a conviction for hard drive destruction:

http://volokh.com/2011/07/18/destroying-hard-drive-leads-to-conviction-for-obstructing-federal-investigation/

Still, I bet he did far less time for that crime than he would have for CP.
post #2852 of 5118
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Because you could be charged with a crime for destroying the hard drive, or it might be argued at trial that it's evidence of your guilt. Remember that cop who was convicted of murdering his wife a few years back, who had destroyed his hard drives?

Here's at least one example of a conviction for hard drive destruction:

http://volokh.com/2011/07/18/destroying-hard-drive-leads-to-conviction-for-obstructing-federal-investigation/

I mostly agree with you, but I think NorCal was positing a scenario where you have a drive with incriminating evidence that would likely lead to your conviction of a serious offense. Ethics and legality aside, I think the practical risk/benefit analysis says that Risk Arising From Allowing Incriminating Evidence To Remain In Existence > Risk Of Being Charged With Obstruction Or Subjected To Adverse Inference If It's Proved That You Destroyed It.
post #2853 of 5118
I thought we were weighing not whether you should try to destroy it, but how you should do it, i.e., whether you're better off selectively wiping the drive and hoping you get them all, completely.
post #2854 of 5118
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I thought we were weighing not whether you should try to destroy it, but how you should do it, i.e., whether you're better off selectively wiping the drive and hoping you get them all, completely.

Ah, maybe. I don't know enough about electronic forensics to know whether one can electronically wipe the drive -- as opposed to, say, with a cloth -- without leaving evidence that you've done so.
post #2855 of 5118
If he did get convicted of obstruction for deleting the pictures, because his secure delete software logged it somehow, he should at least get a refund for the license fee for the software.

The court doesn't mention what sentence the guy got, but he was convicted of a felony with various enhancements including those relating to child pornography. I bet he did a couple years at least. By comparison, for receiving CP there would be a five-year mandatory minimum, I think.
post #2856 of 5118
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I enjoy when government people get their lives ruined.

Eh, I get the theory, but this is a strange bedfellows (pun intended) kind of deal, since hypocritically sanctimonious faux Puritans (or real Puritans, for that matter) belong on the same circle of hell as meter maids.
post #2857 of 5118
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Since it more or less agrees with me, I will accept Howto Geek as the authoritative, last word on the subject. So there!

Thumbs up for the honesty.
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Wait...that's a horribly misleading oversimplification of what SSDs do.

In fact, many SSDs out there are *worse* than HDDs. If they get a normal delete rather than a TRIM, they will just "forget" where the data is and leave it in place. And even with TRIM, I wouldn't trust it to be gone on a forensic level.

Unlike spinning disks, SSDs have limited read-write cycles, and they don't really care where on the disk you store it...so they like to cycle through using the whole disk in a process called wear-leveling. Say your disk has 10 "spaces". If you write something to #1 and #2 and then delete #1...it might try and write to #3-10 before it goes back and overwrites #1...so that it can get more even "wear" over the whole disk.

Also, because of this design...a lot of SSds don't work well with secure delete software meant for magnetic media. Most manufacturers offer tools that purport to do a full drive erase on their drives...but with flash media, physical destruction is really the way to go.

The limited write cycles is overblown. The average consumer grade drive can handle 10 full drive writes before wearing out. Entry-level enterprise drives can handle about 1 drive write per day for 3-5 years.

You're correct, SSDs could wind up storing data longer if they aren't trimmed. Your best bet is still to do write the whole drive once.

A magnetic field won't necessarily destroy the data on an SSD either.
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http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091

Looks like Josh Duggar, the incestuous, pedophile rapist and director of the Family Research Council, had a paid Ashley Madison account also.
post #2859 of 5118
I'm less surprised that Jared is a pederast and more shocked how f*cking fat he got again.
post #2860 of 5118
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/presidential-candidate-deez-nuts-does-not-exist.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

15 year old reaches master level troll.
post #2861 of 5118
How low can CNN go?

Now you can search the Ashley Madison cheaters list

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/19/technology/ashley-madison-search/index.html

The title is a nice try, but how about this?
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What about people who used Ashley Madison to engage in gay affairs? The website's users were worldwide, and there are 79 countries where homosexuality is illegal. In Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, the punishment is death.

A quick search of a small subset of Ashley Madison users listed two in the United Arab Emirates. Their addresses are most likely legitimate, because they were tied to the credit card they used to pay for the service, according to one computer researcher.
post #2862 of 5118
Clearly the answer is that you should keep your naughty stuff on a separate drive that you can destroy without looking as suspicious as trashing all of your day to day drives.

Of course, you could end up with that shit in your primary hard drive as it gets cached or dropped in temporary locations...so your best bet is probably to have that separate drive be a fully working boot drive. Plug it into your computer and boot off of it, plot your crime, watch your content, whatever, and then power the computer down and boot it back up on the normal hard drive.

If you destroy it (could easily be a high-capacity thumb drive, or even an SD card with bootable reader), there isn't anything obviously missing and you could always just claim you lost it.
post #2863 of 5118
I'm glad we're discussing the intricacies of modern, sexually-deviant, e-privacy.
post #2864 of 5118
I always say: If you are going to do something, do it right.
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Thread Starter 
Has anyone else noticed Obama has not recently tried to take credit for the stock market?
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