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post #2821 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

As a lawyer, I'd never advise someone to destroy evidence, of course, but how on earth was the subway guy still in possession of it after the guy he was getting it from got busted?
When I advise people to destroy evidence, I wear a stethoscope and tell them it's medical advice.
post #2822 of 5117
Why you would even leave that to chance and not just physically destroy the drive is incomprehensible to me.

But then again, this is a fat guy who bragged to random people that he liked to sleep with underage prostitutes, so he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
post #2823 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Isn't holding sexual encounters over the heads of military/diplomatic/government people the textbook play to get them to be operatives?
In the spy novels I've read, yes. Or, in novels written more than a few years ago, you threaten to out them as homesexualists.
I'm no expert, but I don't really think that's why adultery and ATM are against the UCMJ, though.
post #2824 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Why you would even leave that to chance and not just physically destroy the drive is incomprehensible to me.

But then again, this is a fat guy who bragged to random people that he liked to sleep with underage prostitutes, so he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Deleting files off your computer correctly presumably leaves no evidence it was done, as opposed to a big pile of drilled, microwaved, water-logged hard drives.
post #2825 of 5117
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

In the spy novels I've read, yes. Or, in novels written more than a few years ago, you threaten to out them as homesexualists.
I'm no expert, but I don't really think that's why adultery and ATM are against the UCMJ, though.
Disruption of military discipline, don't you know nuthin
post #2826 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Deleting files off your computer correctly presumably leaves no evidence it was done, as opposed to a big pile of drilled, microwaved, water-logged hard drives.

Yes, but anyone who has a slightly above average understanding of storage technology knows that deleting files doesn't do anything but tell the OS that the space is free. Unless you write over that area, the data can be recovered. Most anti-virus software is even bundled with secure erase software that will do DoD level encryption. Your best bet is to write 1's to every bit on a drive then 0's then a random pattern. You can do it on a file basis too.
post #2827 of 5117
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Format C: then a hammer, no?
post #2828 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Deleting files off your computer correctly presumably leaves no evidence it was done, as opposed to a big pile of drilled, microwaved, water-logged hard drives.


Depends on who is doing the reconstruction. Deleting and rewriting a thousand times will cover most, but if the hard core FBI© gets involved they can recover a whole lot.

EDIT - Or at least they claim to. Most of the time the deleted files are only partials. Sometimes as little as a few bits, which are then claimed to match files 10s or 100s of MBs in size. It's all bullshit, but it's enough to convict you, since no jury wants to see the images and once they do you are going to be convicted regardless of if you actually did it or not.
post #2829 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Format C: then a hammer, no?

No. Someone dedicated to recovering your data, can do so after only formatting.

I guess the hammer, would probably work. Still magnetic fields are your friend.
post #2830 of 5117
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

No. Someone dedicated to recovering your data, can do so after only formatting.

That's why the hammer!
post #2831 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

That's why the hammer!

I read that part a bit late.
post #2832 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Deleting files off your computer correctly presumably leaves no evidence it was done, as opposed to a big pile of drilled, microwaved, water-logged hard drives.

I'll just tell them they're Seagate drives and they deserved every single bit of abuse directed at them.
post #2833 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Depends on who is doing the reconstruction. Deleting and rewriting a thousand times will cover most, but if the hard core FBI© gets involved they can recover a whole lot.

EDIT - Or at least they claim to. Most of the time the deleted files are only partials. Sometimes as little as a few bits, which are then claimed to match files 10s or 100s of MBs in size. It's all bullshit, but it's enough to convict you, since no jury wants to see the images and once they do you are going to be convicted regardless of if you actually did it or not.

I had heard, way back in the day when hard drives were the size of bricks and had the capacity of floppy disks, that someone could theoretically reconstruct overwritten data by looking at the surface of the drive. But I don't think that's really possible with modern drives. Instead, I think the issue is with incomplete deletion of the files based on the way the hard drive is organized. Something like that, anyway.

It still amazes me that everyone doesn't just encrypt their hard drives.
post #2834 of 5117
Or, if I can continue talking about something I don't really understand, what usually happens is that a file is "deleted" through Windows, which doesn't do anything more than remove it from the file index; the actual file remains on the drive. You get incomplete recoveries when part, but not all, of the file is overwritten and replaced with something else. The FBI isn't looking at the disk with a microscope and reading 1s and 0s that have been written over.
post #2835 of 5117
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I had heard, way back in the day when hard drives were the size of bricks and had the capacity of floppy disks, that someone could theoretically reconstruct overwritten data by looking at the surface of the drive. But I don't think that's really possible with modern drives. Instead, I think the issue is with incomplete deletion of the files based on the way the hard drive is organized. Something like that, anyway.

It still amazes me that everyone doesn't just encrypt their hard drives.

Some courts have ruled that you can be compelled to turn over your encryption keys.

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Or, if I can continue talking about something I don't really understand, what usually happens is that a file is "deleted" through Windows, which doesn't do anything more than remove it from the file index; the actual file remains on the drive. You get incomplete recoveries when part, but not all, of the file is overwritten and replaced with something else. The FBI isn't looking at the disk with a microscope and reading 1s and 0s that have been written over.

This is mostly true.
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