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Originally Posted by Jmm722 View Post

is the state currently government liquor stores?

What? In PE, the government runs all liquor stores. Here in MN, some cities run all liquor stores: my city does this. I can tell you from experience, the private liquor stores tend to be 20-30% cheaper, and rare stuff like Pappy only show up at the private stores.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


What? In PE, the government runs all liquor stores. Here in MN, some cities run all liquor stores: my city does this. I can tell you from experience, the private liquor stores tend to be 20-30% cheaper, and rare stuff like Pappy only show up at the private stores.


That's really surprising.  I'm from MA, but used to go to NH specifically because their state run liquor stores are much cheaper than in MA.  I'm talking 30-40% cheaper and sometimes even better (almost 50% for some 25+ year scotches).

 

I assume his claim is that the state monopoly afford them a massive buying power that allows them to secure lower prices from distributors.  If it went private then the buying power is lost, and prices go up.

 

However, if the prices did increase in liquor because of the lost buying power, it should bring the state more tax revenue.

 

There's some reason why NH is able to sell liquor at cheaper prices than I've ever seen before in any state (though Costco comes close, due to their purchase power).  Though, NH may just be a crazy outlier.

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Originally Posted by Jmm722 View Post

is the state currently government liquor stores?
??? Did you watch the ad that prompted this conversation ??
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Thread Starter 
Where I grew up a 40 oz of regular whisky was $40. In 1990. Yeah, government run liquor stores are cheap.
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Booze prices shot way up here in WA when it was privatized. So now we heard to Idaho to get our liquor from state run stores.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/06/30/two-years-after-liquor-privatization-booze-in-washington-state-costs-more/

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That link is just terrible analysis. Its source doesn't say people in Washington pay $35 per gallon for spirits (what are they drinking?), but that the state government IMPOSES $35 in taxes per gallon. That's a lot -- $12 more than the next-highest state.
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Originally Posted by upthewazzu View Post

Booze prices shot way up here in WA when it was privatized. So now we heard to Idaho to get our liquor from state run stores.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/06/30/two-years-after-liquor-privatization-booze-in-washington-state-costs-more/

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

That link is just terrible analysis. Its source doesn't say people in Washington pay $35 per gallon for spirits (what are they drinking?), but that the state government IMPOSES $35 in taxes per gallon. That's a lot -- $12 more than the next-highest state.

This exactly right. I love that they say " The Tax Foundation found Washingtonians pay $35.22 per gallon of spirits..." then show the map where it says "excise taxes." The main reason booze prices shot up in WA is because you guys passed a 10% tax + 17% tax on the various middlemen in the booze process. Turns out they just don't eat those kinds of costs - they get passed on to the consumer.

I have a lot of hilarious stories of the horrible state of liquor because a friend of mine just started a distillery. It took him almost two years to get licensed by the various regulatory agencies - federal, state, and local.

As an aside based on a previous post, I did a quick check on New Hampshire liquor prices and the local store. I just grabbed a few random items (well, not entirely random because the city liquor store's website just has their 3 specials this month). Our private prices, admittedly are close to NH after tax - sometimes probably higher, but we also have almost 10% sales tax on liquor.

Bacardi 1.75L
Here private - $18.99 +tax
Here city run - $19.99 + tax
NH - $19.99 (no tax in NH)

Bombay Sapphire 1L
Here private - $21.99 + tax
Here city run - $23.99 + tax
NH - $24.99

Johnny Walker Red 1.75L
Here private - $28.99 +tax
Here city run - $33.98 + tax
NH - $29.99
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


I love that they say " The Tax Foundation found Washingtonians pay $35.22 per gallon of spirits..." then show the map where it says "excise taxes." The main reason booze prices shot up in WA is because you guys passed a 10% tax + 17% tax on the various middlemen in the booze process. Turns out they just don't eat those kinds of costs - they get passed on to the consumer.

I agree that the statement taken in isolation is not as clear as it could be, but what else do you think a place called the Tax Foundation is tracking, if not taxes? When a sentence starts, "the Tax Foundation found ...," I'm preparing for the next statement to be about a tax. I suppose someone could think they have a side business in tracking booze prices, but I assume most could figure out their mission.

Moreover, when the sentence is directly followed by 1) a graphic explaining taxes and 2) a detailed explanation of the tax (which, by the way is the same explanation that you've mentioned: "The higher prices come from taxes levied through the 2012 ballot initiative itself, including a 10 percent license fee paid by distributors and a 17 percent license fee paid by retailers."), then that additional context further clarifies the point.

Again, I agree it could have been written better, because, copied and pasted elsewhere without further context and read by someone who can't figure out what the Tax Foundation does, it is confusing.
Edited by zalb916 - 7/6/15 at 5:10am
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The graphic allows you to catch the error of the author of the WaPo piece, that's true. But it's still obviously an error and not just poor writing.

The Seattle Times piece it links to is actually pretty good. As they explain, the higher average price paid is in some part attributable to the wider availability of better (more expensive) liquors at more affordable prices than they used to be. They give an example:
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Costco executives, who pushed hard to get the initiative passed, disagree. They say that at least part of the general price increase may be due to the fact that stores have shifted to higher-end products. Moreover, they say that at Costco, most liquor prices are lower than at state-owned stores under the old regime.

A recent visit to the Kirkland warehouse backed up their price claims — provided you pay for a membership and are fond of very large bottles.

A 1.75 liter of Johnnie Walker Black Label scotch retailed for $69.25. At a state store in May 2012 it would have cost $81.95. At a downtown Seattle liquor store formerly owned by the state, it retailed for $109.99.
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Costco FTW yet again
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Bill Cosby admitted to getting drugs to use on women for sex

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us/bill-cosby-quaaludes-sexual-assault-allegations/index.html

This headline is just infuriating. Has anyone ever described getting drugs for someone else "using them on" that person? Can CNN sink even lower? Stay tuned.
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Goddamnit, Paula Deen.
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Is this where I post about Jared Fogle of Subway commercials fame being investigated for child pornography by the FBI?
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Thread Starter 
No.
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Ignore Piob, it's not like this is his Fred or anything. Post away!!!
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