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This is why Shakespeare was so correct!

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Agreed. Never trust a f****ing shylock.
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I guess that I should have said the cases involving Christians THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS LATELY (i.e. Hobby Lobby case, and the various Christian purveyors of wedding services that are having issues with gay weddings) all deal with government regulations.

I'm not sure what moronic or bigoted views you think I hold, but to ensure that you're disdain for me is for the right reasons I will elucidate my beliefs:

I don't believe that there should be any religious accommodation for religious beliefs in the private sector, and I don't believe that the government has any business forcing private businesses to cater gay weddings. With very few exceptions, I pretty much don't believe in any government intervention in employment or business transactions.

(So, if you think I'm a bigot and moron, at least you will have a good foundation for it now.)


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Bullshit. You're just making shit up.
There are plenty of cases involving Christians in the private employment sphere. You're entitled to hold whatever moronic, bigoted views you want. But it's really pathetic when you start spouting untrue crap in the forlorn belief that you'll convince other people to agree with you.

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Styleforum so entertaining today
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Originally Posted by Kai View Post

I guess that I should have said the cases involving Christians THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS LATELY (i.e. Hobby Lobby case, and the various Christian purveyors of wedding services that are having issues with gay weddings) all deal with government regulations.

I'm not sure what moronic or bigoted views you think I hold, but to ensure that you're disdain for me is for the right reasons I will elucidate my beliefs:

I don't believe that there should be any religious accommodation for religious beliefs in the private sector, and I don't believe that the government has any business forcing private businesses to cater gay weddings. With very few exceptions, I pretty much don't believe in any government intervention in employment or business transactions.

(So, if you think I'm a bigot and moron, at least you will have a good foundation for it now.)
Fair enough. I suspect there's a good deal of selection bias in what the press focuses on. In both public and private cases, more rigorous Christian offshoots like the JWs and Adventists are very much in the forefront of litigating these sorts of cases. But as noted above, it's fair to assume that Muslim-focused organizations are at least equally active in seeking out and pushing "test cases".
You probably get this, but in a somewhat different way this also involves government regulation - just government regulation requiring accommodation of boba fide religious beliefs and practices.
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Styleforum so entertaining today
Shut up, Nazi.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Fair enough. I suspect there's a good deal of selection bias in what the press focuses on. In both public and private cases, more rigorous Christian offshoots like the JWs and Adventists are very much in the forefront of litigating these sorts of cases. But as noted above, it's fair to assume that Muslim-focused organizations are at least equally active in seeking out and pushing "test cases".
You probably get this, but in a somewhat different way this also involves government regulation - just government regulation requiring accommodation of boba fide religious beliefs and practices.

JWs were responsible for making saying the Pledge of Allegiance optional in schools, if I recall.
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Interested to hear people's thoughts on this. I find the data suspicious because they have Bloomberg supporting Republicans primarily. I guess he could be supporting pro-gun control Republicans in primaries... it does look like it indicates money doesn't inherently buy elections. While the Koch's did well, most other large groups didn't (which the Koch's learned last go-around when their candidates got clobbered).
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I find the data suspicious because they have Bloomberg supporting Republicans primarily. I guess he could be supporting pro-gun control Republicans in primaries...

Total Independent Expenditures: $5,581,784
For Democrats: $2,078,996
Against Democrats: $1,403,868
For Republicans: $2,098,920
Against Republicans: $0

http://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=Independence+USA+PAC
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

Total Independent Expenditures: $5,581,784
For Democrats: $2,078,996
Against Democrats: $1,403,868
For Republicans: $2,098,920
Against Republicans: $0

http://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=Independence+USA+PAC

I would like to see if it is in primaries only - I can see Bloomberg giving to more moderate Rs who are pro-gun control. Unless he's talking his ant-gun game, but not actually putting money where his mouth is.
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That link says that the money was spent on only three elections and that 46.8% was spent in general elections. That means the "For Democrats" was for one Democrat in a general election, the "For Republicans" was for a candidate in a Republican primary, and the "Against Democrats" was against a candidate in Democrat primary.
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I think fixating on money is missing a large part of the action. Union activity is stuff money just can't buy. Unions have an ongoing infrastructure that never really gets moth-balled between elections paid for by membership dues. Phone banks, canvassing, opinion making all continues 24/7/365. If one gets rid of money one needs to get rid of ready made politicing practices.
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Man open carries an AR15 with a drum magazine at the atlanta airport:
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2015/06/01/man-says-he-was-harassed-while-carrying-gun-at-airport/28337871/

It is beyond hilarious how hard he is trying to get the police to do *something* to him...and how bad his understanding of the law is (seems like he knows he can carry the gun, but doesn't know anything else):
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

JWs were responsible for making saying the Pledge of Allegiance optional in schools, if I recall.

True. They are also mad ballerz.











Wait, what? Mormons and JWs aren't the same thing? Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't realize.
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Check your privilege there, LD. Jehovah Witnesses =! Mormon! Fucking bigot.
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