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post #1786 of 5110
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

I'm assuming it's more "didn't care" (or maybe "chose not to say anything") than "didn't notice".

I agree, but per the news:
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House counsel's office was not aware at the time Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state that she relied solely on personal email and only found out as part of the congressional investigation into the Benghazi attack, according to a person familiar with the matter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/source-obama-counsel-not_n_6806034.html
post #1787 of 5110
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I agree, but per the news:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/source-obama-counsel-not_n_6806034.html

I see, thanks. Note, though, that the (presumably very carefully crafted) statement says that the WHC was not aware that Hillary "relied solely" on personal email. So basically, even if every email they ever saw was on clintonmail.com or whatever, they can maintain they didn't know for certain one way or the other whether she was also sending .gov emails to some folks.

My only point was that if the WHC office had significant email traffic with her, I'd find it hard to believe they didn't notice she was using something other than an official government email address. Did they never have to manually enter her email address into the "to" or "cc" box?
post #1788 of 5110
Maybe the white house counsel didn't have much reason to interact directly with the secretary of state prior to that incident?

The state department probably has plenty of lawyers of their own...so until the white house counsel was investigating something, they might have paid her no attention.
post #1789 of 5110
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Maybe the white house counsel didn't have much reason to interact directly with the secretary of state prior to that incident?

This is probably exactly correct, but then the question becomes, once WH legal found this out during the Benghazi investigation would they not have been compelled (for both legal and ethical reasons) to bring this forward? Just because they did not know at one point doesn't mean they're not responsible to act at the point where they found out.
post #1790 of 5110
Apparently Hillary ordered her people to not use personal emails for government business.
post #1791 of 5110
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Apparently Hillary ordered her people to not use personal emails for government business.

Did she communicate that by email?
post #1792 of 5110
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Did she communicate that by email?

I don't know. According to this, she may have been using multiple private email addresses rather than one: http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/05/hacker-discovers-hillary-clinton-created-multiple-private-email-accounts/


I still think she'll get away clean.
post #1793 of 5110
I'm sorry, but that's some bullshit. A "Hacker"??? They ran a freely available tool that looks around the internet for references to emails on a domain.

I took a look at the code for that program on github. Looks like it is basically looking for mentions of email addresses that fit the format. They don't have to be real email addresses, just addresses that somehow show up on the internet. Somebody erroneously copies hillary@clintonemail.com and that reply chain shows up online? There it is.
Somebody writes out noblowjobs@clintonemail.com? There it is. Maybe she did have more than one, but a lot of these just look like the kind of default shit someone might try to write an email to. contact@clintonmail.com? come one, this is an absurd level of speculation for any actual journalist to be getting into. If you are going to write about this shit, you have to also explain to your reader how flaky the information you are reporting is.

The tool is designed to figure out things like "what format does this company usually put their emails in" and doesn't do anything to make sure the emails are real or were actually used for anything official. If you have 100 email addresses in the format first.last@company.com, you can safely assume that that is the naming convention without verifying that they are real.
post #1794 of 5110
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This is the part where the stuff that should raise eyebrows is dismissed along with the ridiculous shit. People should learn that when you've got something legit to raise concern about not to keep creating stupid shit so the whole mess just gets written off to the VRWC.
post #1795 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This is the part where the stuff that should raise eyebrows is dismissed along with the ridiculous shit. People should learn that when you've got something legit to raise concern about not to keep creating stupid shit so the whole mess just gets written off to the VRWC.

This is a very good point.
It's tricky, though, especially given our tendency to default into binary Team X vs. Team Y mode. If someone who is generally seem as "conservative" raises a legitimate point, it's easy for someone who wants to discredit them to find a dozen batshit crazy self-styled conservatives who are advocating for the same conclusion, but for stupid reasons. Works the same way if you substitute "liberal" for "conservative", of course. So even if you are limiting yourself to reasonable points, it's hard to avoid getting lumped in with the ridiculous shit.
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http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/03/transgender_members_welcome_in.html

This is an interesting one. A woman had her gym membership revoked as she was bitching to other female patrons a man was being allowed to use the female changing room. The article seems to indicate this person is still physically a man but "identifies" as being a woman.
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Yvette Cormier said the incident occurred Saturday, Feb. 28, when she entered the women's locker room at the Planet Fitness location at 701 Joe Mann Boulevard in Midland.

"I was blocked, because a man was standing there," Cormier said. "It freaked me out because, why is a man in here?"

Cormier said an employee at the front desk told her that the individual identifies as a woman.

The woman complaining had her membership canceled by corporate:
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Planet Fitness is committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members. Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity. The manner in which this member expressed her concerns about the policy exhibited behavior that management at the Midland club deemed inappropriate and disruptive to other members, which is a violation of the membership agreement and as a result her membership was cancelled

Not sure how to deal with treating both sides fairly, but let's face it, this policy is ripe for abuse.
post #1797 of 5110
I'd be ok with women using the male changing room at the gym.

Pretty sure I'd be hanging out there from 4:30-4:45 Monday, Wednesday and Friday after the Yoga class lets out.
post #1798 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I'd be ok with women using the male changing room at the gym.

Pretty sure I'd be hanging out there from 4:30-4:45 Monday, Wednesday and Friday after the Yoga class lets out.

Why not just go into their changing room? As Planet Fitness says, "no judgement policy."
post #1799 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Why not just go into their changing room? As Planet Fitness says, "no judgement policy."

I have always maintained a strict policy in this regard. I equate it to the Circus Freakshow. If the bearded lady puts herself out there to let me pay a nickel to view her in the tent and then mock her; that's her decision. She put herself out there. Conversely, I would never show up at the bearded lady's house and throw a nickel at her door demanding she come outside so I can mock her.

You put yourself out there, you run the risk of being mocked/fucked with/going to prison for 200 years. I won't fuck with you if you keep it to yourself.

Frankly, I think that's how society should operate. I call it the Bearded Lady Theorem. It's a first principle. Self-Evident. All reasonable party people agree.
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