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Well, there's that whole Civil Rights Act thing. Plus, who else is going to swing the federal hammer when people refuse to honor the status of pennies as legal tender?

What's a penny? Is it like a shilling? Or a half crown?
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What's a penny? Is it like a shilling? Or a half crown?

I can remember idiots hoarding Canadian pennies.
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Pretty sure rules and laws don't mean anything anymore. We are not a nation of laws, we are a nation of nannys.

They don't.

Clinton didn't even use government email. What is it with these people and email?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-used-personal-email-account-as-secretary-of-state/2015/03/03/07f304ae-c1af-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html
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I can't wait to see what Bibi demands we bomb next. Hopefully he'll use a clever cartoon to demonstrate his point again.
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They don't.

Clinton didn't even use government email. What is it with these people and email?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-used-personal-email-account-as-secretary-of-state/2015/03/03/07f304ae-c1af-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html


Article 7, paragraph 3(b), MSM Guidebook for Journalists:


If Republican, then felony, Cheney, and impeachable offense.

If Democrat, then phony scandal, teaching moment, and yawn.
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To be fair...the article itself says that John Kerry is the first secretary of state to primarily use a state.gov email, and email has been around a lot longer than the Obama administration.

Still kind of a WTF though. How hard is it to set up and use an email address?
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To be fair...the article itself says that John Kerry is the first secretary of state to primarily use a state.gov email, and email has been around a lot longer than the Obama administration.

Still kind of a WTF though. How hard is it to set up and use an email address?

It also poses a national security risk. Apparently at least one of her staffer's email was hacked. Not saying people can't hack government email accounts, but in theory statedepartment.us.gov is slightly more secure than hilarymail
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To be fair...the article itself says that John Kerry is the first secretary of state to primarily use a state.gov email, and email has been around a lot longer than the Obama administration.

Still kind of a WTF though. How hard is it to set up and use an email address?

I don't know anything about State, and certainly didn't operate at Hilary's level when I was living off your taxes. But it's not even a question of whether it's hard to set up an email address. Generally speaking, you're assigned a .gov email address as part of the onboarding process as a new employee. It's an automatic kind of deal. Maybe it's different for Cabinet members, but I tend to doubt it. My assumption would be that she had a state.gov email address but didn't use it.

I'm perfectly willing to assume nefarious motives here, but I will note:
.gov email addresses tend not to be very creative in their naming conventions. So if you're a well-known government employee, I can imagine that your official government email inbox can quickly become overwhelming to sort through. Even as an unimportant fish in a small pond, I used to get a fairly steady stream of crazymail, solicitations, etc. Junk mail screeners are only somewhat effective at managing this. So I can see setting up a separate email for priority stuff that you want to come immediately to your attention. But (as I understand happened here) operating entirely outside the official email network strikes me as harder to explain reasonably.
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I don't know anything about State, and certainly didn't operate at Hilary's level when I was living off your taxes. But it's not even a question of whether it's hard to set up an email address. Generally speaking, you're assigned a .gov email address as part of the onboarding process as a new employee. It's an automatic kind of deal. Maybe it's different for Cabinet members, but I tend to doubt it. My assumption would be that she had a state.gov email address but didn't use it.

I'm perfectly willing to assume nefarious motives here, but I will note:
.gov email addresses tend not to be very creative in their naming conventions. So if you're a well-known government employee, I can imagine that your official government email inbox can quickly become overwhelming to sort through. Even as an unimportant fish in a small pond, I used to get a fairly steady stream of crazymail, solicitations, etc. Junk mail screeners are only somewhat effective at managing this. So I can see setting up a separate email for priority stuff that you want to come immediately to your attention. But (as I understand happened here) operating entirely outside the official email network strikes me as harder to explain reasonably.



Your explanation is plausible, but my guess is that she used HillaryMail to contact her henchmen and order hits on political enemies.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

I'm perfectly willing to assume nefarious motives here, but I will note:
.gov email addresses tend not to be very creative in their naming conventions. So if you're a well-known government employee, I can imagine that your official government email inbox can quickly become overwhelming to sort through. Even as an unimportant fish in a small pond, I used to get a fairly steady stream of crazymail, solicitations, etc. Junk mail screeners are only somewhat effective at managing this. So I can see setting up a separate email for priority stuff that you want to come immediately to your attention. But (as I understand happened here) operating entirely outside the official email network strikes me as harder to explain reasonably.

I just figured the important people got special email addresses created that didn't fit the "firstname.lastname@" mold. Of course, even then it is hard to imagine that that address wouldn't be wildly circulated over a 4 year term.

But it looks like the NYTimes article claimed she never even had a .gov account (she refused it when taking office). Who knows though...If you are going to be sending classified things via email, are you really stupid enough to use an insecure account? Wouldn't be surprised if these personal accounts that have been used were still set up by the secret service or something...potentially with additional encryption on top (email itself isn't that secure).
There may be a certain level at which you no longer want people's mailboxes residing on the same mailserver as some random clerk who works a desk at the state department....but I don't know why you wouldn't formalize this rather than use clintonmail.com
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Hillary is a very smart lady. She's not going down like the IRS folks.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Hillary is a very smart lady. She's not going down like the IRS folks.
In b4 Lewinsky joak.
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What does it matter anymore if she refused a .gov email address?
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

What does it matter anymore if she refused a .gov email address?

Well, it would imply that unlike what Palin was (falsely I believe) accused of, she wasn't using a personal email address to hide select pieces of correspondence that she wanted to keep secret from her monitored/discoverable official address.

If she didn't even have an official address, then everyone important already knew that she was using her non-official address (which would most certainly include political rivals who would have called her out of they cared). Which makes this seem like kind of a non-issue. When everybody was pissing about the Benghazi stuff, none of the republicans she emailed bothered to say "HEY WAIT! She's not using a .gov address and must be hiding something!"? That seems exactly like what they would have done if this were a big deal.

I still think it is weird as shit that she wouldn't use some sort of .gov address, but it seems like something is missing from this story.
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