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post #16 of 5110
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Obama didn't know the NSA was spying. Nor did he know Healthcare.gov was a piece of shit. Ignorance is his excuse, you can't expect him to be everywhere, can you?

He can do whatever he wants as long as the media continue to lick his feet, as would an insecure cur his master.
post #17 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

He can do whatever he wants as long as the media continue to lick his feet, as would an insecure cur his master.

I do believe the feet licking has stopped. I'm not saying they're going to become active antagonists but a certain level of adoration seems to have worn off.
post #18 of 5110
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Yes there are "good lies" and "bad lies" and never the twain shall meet.

I thought there were only "lies" and "damn lies."
post #19 of 5110
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Originally Posted by FunLovinStyle View Post

I thought there were only "lies" and "damn lies."

"No honey, you don't look fat in that dress."
post #20 of 5110
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

"No honey, you don't look fat in that dress."

Thanks. I've been spending a bit more time at the gym... hey, wait a minute!
post #21 of 5110
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Today's musing concerns the protests against retail outlets opening on Thanksgiving. What is motivating this and how are the targets chosen? I mean grocery stores are always open on TG and have been as long as I can remember. Why have then never been targets? It seems this might have started around "big box" stores, and they do seem to be the focus, and there's just been spill over to other retail stores.
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Quote don't work. But when I worked hourly, I always loved to work on the holidays. Ot and holiday pay. Ammirite? I tripled my hourly rate. Bank!
post #23 of 5110
x2. Working overnight on Christmas Eve in college at the Security place got me like $5.47 an hour. Time and a half, bitches!
post #24 of 5110
The whole point of Thanksgiving sales is to offend upper-middle class sensibilities. On Thanksgiving, you can offer deep discounts to price sensitive lower middle class customers w/o biting into your UMC customer base because they wouldn't be caught dead in a big box on a family holiday.

So consider upper-middle class sensibilities duly offended.
post #25 of 5110
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Obama, consistency, and corporate law are the subject of today's musings.

Now, I readily admit to being a layman but I pay attention to what you lawyers post (no matter how whacky you might be). It seems that under this administration all history of corporate law can be ignored (GM and Chrysler bailout) and it's a good thing (greedy bond holders!) but then to go against an Obama edict means you're violating all history of corporate law..and in this case it's bad. When it's bad and ignoring precedent would be if a business owner wants to follow his/her religious beliefs and not provide health insurance that covers birth control. This is bad and against all prior law.

Now, no matter which side of each position you take, how can a person simultaneously swallow both positions with their justifications? I am hoping someone can shed some light on this.

Today's musing was brought on by this pro-Obamacare opinion piece: http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/26/opinion/wydra-supreme-court-obamacare/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
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post #27 of 5110
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For example, the Supreme Court has held that an individual acting in his personal capacity has the right to "plead the Fifth" and refuse to turn over documents that could incriminate him, but that same individual acting in his official capacity as a corporate owner has no such right against self-incrimination.

Lol, what?
post #28 of 5110
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HB, are you saying this well reasoned pro-Obamacare defense of the issue of contraceptives and a business owner's religious beliefs is not 100% factually correct?
post #29 of 5110
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

HB, are you saying this well reasoned pro-Obamacare defense of the issue of contraceptives and a business owner's religious beliefs is not 100% factually correct?

Someone who claims to:
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Elizabeth B. Wydra is chief counsel for the Constitutional Accountability Center, a public-interest law firm, think tank and action center

Should at the very least understand that the right against self-incrimination protects statements, not documents. That's why the government gets a warrant when it wants your stuff. You don't have a right against self-incrimination to refuse to give them documents. Hell, most Courts are now requiring you to tell them your password to electronic documents even if it will incriminate you.
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Business corporations, quite properly, have never shared in this fundamental constitutional tradition for the obvious reason that a business corporation lacks the basic human capacities -- reason, dignity and conscience -- at the core of the right to free exercise of religion. Obviously not "persons" in the usual sense of the word, these corporations are also not religious organizations, which have historically received some constitutional protection and are, in fact, given exemptions from the contraception mandate.
These businesses do not hire employees on the basis of their religion and their employees are not required to share the religious beliefs personally held by the corporation's owners. In all of American history, secular, for-profit corporations have never been understood to "exercise" religion -- have you ever seen Exxon Mobil in the pew next to you at church? -- and have never been protected by the right to free exercise.

That crap is just arguing by omission. She can't cite a case that says business corporations don't have religious exemptions, because it's never been challenged before. This is an un-addressed issue.

With regard to her current nonsense she's also leaving out the fact that under RFRA corporations are covered. The opinion out of the 7th shows that very clearly. http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/7th-CA-on-mandate-11-8-13.pdf See pages 38 and 39. If Congress doesn't want the RFRA to cover corporations then all they have to do is change the law. See, when you "have to pass a law to find out what's in it" you find out that Congresspeople and their lobbyists who draft laws are fucking dumb so shit like this always slips through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act
post #30 of 5110
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According to 99% of the people she will be correct due to one hyphenated word in her argument: for-profit. What you are proposing, good sir, is an argument made for the 1% and that shall not stand.
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