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post #1486 of 5120
They were just about to crack, another 50 years of embargo would totally have convinced them to pay that back.

As far as I can tell, the claims are not being waived. Whatever possibility existed of getting paid hasn't been eliminated by ending the embargo.

(according to Wikipedia, there's six billion in outstanding claims.)
post #1487 of 5120
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You all are missing the point; it's fucking meaningless shit. Meaningless shit Obama is trying to turn into legacy. It's fucking pathetic.
post #1488 of 5120
If it was the right call, which I think was, who cares if it's political gamesmanship?

The fact that Obama may be using the change to create a legacy (I disagree that the move was "meaningless") doesn't mean it's not a net good.
post #1489 of 5120
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When I say "meaningless" I mean it at the more macro level of the world geo-political stage. I'm sure it will be a net good for many folks living in Cuba but I'm just tired of the Barry trumpets sounding over what is trivial shit at the macro level. Further, while I always thought the embargo was silly, Cuba is actually ready for this in no small part because after all these decades the embargo is actually at its most effective due to both Venezuela and Russia being economic messes. This means Obama is going to make hay dissing the embargo when actually it's the first time in 50 years it's put the stranglehold on Cuba is was designed to.
post #1490 of 5120
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

When I say "meaningless" I mean it at the more macro level of the world geo-political stage. I'm sure it will be a net good for many folks living in Cuba but I'm just tired of the Barry trumpets sounding over what is trivial shit at the macro level. Further, while I always thought the embargo was silly, Cuba is actually ready for this in no small part because after all these decades the embargo is actually at its most effective due to both Venezuela and Russia being economic messes. This means Obama is going to make hay dissing the embargo when actually it's the first time in 50 years it's put the stranglehold on Cuba is was designed to.

More effective than when Russia cut off all of their assistance ?
post #1491 of 5120
It remains to be seen whether or not it will be a net good for the Cubans on the island.

While the intent to establish and normalize diplomatic relations is admirable, it's worthless if the Cubans aren't making any legitimate political/humanitrian concessions. The establishment of an embassy and the increased connectivity to the internet were insulting political concessions by the Cubans. Obama gave the Castros an out and they got it. I'm all for lifting the embargo if there's a quid pro quo on both sides of the florida straits. This was a quid with no pro quo.
post #1492 of 5120
Yeah, I disagree. This is a big deal.
Cuba may be small and insignificant on the macro level, but our treatment of them has been absurd. Basically fucking over the people of an island nation to make a political point.

Its not like Obama just decided to to end some silly thing that we've left untouched for 50 years. Bush did a lot to make it harder on Cuba during his term, tightening the travel embargo and undoing things that Clinton had done to ease sanctions on Cuba and Cuban relatives in the US (and it really felt mostly like a "lets bully them into being the country *we* want them to be"). And its not like Obama hasn't been working towards this for a while--he was easing family travel and remittance rules as far a back as his early first tirm.
post #1493 of 5120
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Yeah, I disagree. This is a big deal.
Cuba may be small and insignificant on the macro level, but our treatment of them has been absurd. Basically fucking over the people of an island nation to make a political point.

Its not like Obama just decided to to end some silly thing that we've left untouched for 50 years. Bush did a lot to make it harder on Cuba during his term, tightening the travel embargo and undoing things that Clinton had done to ease sanctions on Cuba and Cuban relatives in the US (and it really felt mostly like a "lets bully them into being the country *we* want them to be"). And its not like Obama hasn't been working towards this for a while--he was easing family travel and remittance rules as far a back as his early first tirm.

Is the US to blame for how the people of Cuba have been fucked over?
post #1494 of 5120
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Is the US to blame for how the people of Cuba have been fucked over?
Arguing about who is to blame for what the people of Cuba have suffered over the past years and decades as though "blame" is a hot potato that has to end up in the lap of a single actor is disingenuous and unproductive. I'm not informed enough to have a confident opinion about what the best answer is here, but I'm pretty sure that you have to start by framing relevant questions.
post #1495 of 5120
Get that ass
post #1496 of 5120
Slightly off-topic, but I was thinking about this last night. Why is it guys like Marco Rubio, who is the son of illegal immigrants from Cuba, want to build giant walls and prevent immigration from other countries, yet at the same time still believe that if anyone managed to get to the US from Cuba, they should stay.
post #1497 of 5120
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Slightly off-topic, but I was thinking about this last night. Why is it guys like Marco Rubio, who is the son of illegal immigrants from Cuba, want to build giant walls and prevent immigration from other countries, yet at the same time still believe that if anyone managed to get to the US from Cuba, they should stay.

CE that shit.
post #1498 of 5120
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CE that shit.

Oh shit, you're right.
post #1499 of 5120
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More effective than when Russia cut off all of their assistance ?

You didn't get I specifically mentioned Russia and indicated the fact they were no longer supporting Cuba was key?
post #1500 of 5120
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Yeah, I disagree. This is a big deal.
Cuba may be small and insignificant on the macro level, but our treatment of them has been absurd. Basically fucking over the people of an island nation to make a political point.

Its not like Obama just decided to to end some silly thing that we've left untouched for 50 years. Bush did a lot to make it harder on Cuba during his term, tightening the travel embargo and undoing things that Clinton had done to ease sanctions on Cuba and Cuban relatives in the US (and it really felt mostly like a "lets bully them into being the country *we* want them to be"). And its not like Obama hasn't been working towards this for a while--he was easing family travel and remittance rules as far a back as his early first tirm.

US actions are often absurd and it's not like nation building is a new thing. Murdering people with drones is fucking absurd and certainly falls into the bolded above.
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