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post #166 of 175
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That's what I always find so disturbing when I see threads like this. The person always comes across as being a bit too eager.

Personally I recommend he just buy himself a sword. Even the craziest motherfuckers around will think twice when you draw a sword and out-crazy them. Plus swords are so much more stylish than guns.

LOL. That's going on as my new sig.
post #167 of 175
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
an illusion.
Of course, but one I think that a majority of gun owners share. Also, one that many criminals share, thereby reinforcing the illusion to the point that in some cases, having a gun or the threat of having a gun will probably deter someone from stealing your television. Whether it has any effect on the psychopath who was just dumped by your daughter, breaks in and waits in her closet for six hours for her to come home with the intention of raping and murdering her while armed with a hammer and a kitchen knife... I don't know. Nobody in the house was armed. All I know is that it is possible for a friend of mine to survive being hit over the head a dozen times with the claw part of a hammer and stabbed a dozen more times in the arms, torso, and neck with a 8 inch kitchen knife before her father could drag him off her. So... since she survived, I guess a gun wasn't absolutely neccesary. He got five years (which means that he's been out for about three years now) and she got a concealed weapons permit and a .38 special S&W Airlite. After six or seven skin and bone grafts and after her hair grew back from the brain surgury, she almost looked the same. Last time I saw her, she'd even regained the ability to play the flute (she was pretty good before) I haven't seen her in years though. Hope she's doing ok. By the way... I used to hang out with some really classy people and I'm in no way insinuating that my experiences are going to be commonplace occurances anywhere else other than outside this particular group of people that I used to hang out with or know. Two of the three murderers I know also came from this group of people. I had a rather dramatic childhood.
post #168 of 175
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim View Post
Of course, but one I think that a majority of gun owners share. Also, one that many criminals share, thereby reinforcing the illusion to the point that in some cases, having a gun or the threat of having a gun will probably deter someone from stealing your television.

Whether it has any effect on the psychopath who was just dumped by your daughter, breaks in and waits in her closet for six hours for her to come home with the intention of raping and murdering her while armed with a hammer and a kitchen knife... I don't know. Nobody in the house was armed. All I know is that it is possible for a friend of mine to survive being hit over the head a dozen times with the claw part of a hammer and stabbed a dozen more times in the arms, torso, and neck with a 8 inch kitchen knife before her father could drag him off her. So... since she survived, I guess a gun wasn't absolutely neccesary.


He got five years (which means that he's been out for about three years now) and she got a concealed weapons permit and a .38 special S&W Airlite. After six or seven skin and bone grafts and after her hair grew back from the brain surgury, she almost looked the same. Last time I saw her, she'd even regained the ability to play the flute (she was pretty good before) I haven't seen her in years though. Hope she's doing ok.



By the way... I used to hang out with some really classy people and I'm in no way insinuating that my experiences are going to be commonplace occurances anywhere else other than outside this particular group of people that I used to hang out with or know.

Two of the three murderers I know also came from this group of people. I had a rather dramatic childhood.

sorry about your friend.

this weekend I read about a home invasion outside of ny city. a woman approaches a girl as she gets into her car in front of her house, once she gets the girls attention, two guys jump out and hold guns on the girl, get her into the house, and get her to lead them to the parents, and tie everyone up and rob the house. a gun wouldn't have helped. hard to say if a gun would have helped your friend, really.
post #169 of 175
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
I can't tell you how many times I broke into somebodies house to arrest them - could be dozens, could be more than 100. in pretty much every case they had either a ak-47 or a 9 mm hand gun by the bed, sometimes in bed with them. these were all young healthy and pretty well trained guys, all had very good reason to believe that they were in danger. none was able to generate accurate fire in any of the cases I was involved in. the vast majority didn't get their hands on their guns. that is - we were able to kick in a door, cross one or two rooms, and get to the guy before he could roll over and operate his firearm.

that is one of the biggest contributing factors to my belief that the firearm won't help in a situation where it is needed - if somebody wants you dead, you won't be able to operate the firearm in time to influence the situation.


I think that analogy is misleading. The reasons you broke into those homes (not to mention your training and prior intell on the targets) are entirely different than any home invasion in the US. When you enter a home with the specific intent of neutralizing and arresting a target, his chances of defending himself are far lower than if you're facing your run of the mill scumbag entering a home hoping to steal some jewelry or electronics. To draw those conclusions about the effectiveness of firearms in defending against intruders is somewhat misleading I believe.
post #170 of 175
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
sorry about your friend. this weekend I read about a home invasion outside of ny city. a woman approaches a girl as she gets into her car in front of her house, once she gets the girls attention, two guys jump out and hold guns on the girl, get her into the house, and get her to lead them to the parents, and tie everyone up and rob the house. a gun wouldn't have helped. hard to say if a gun would have helped your friend, really.
I'm not trying to insinuate that a gun actually helps anything. But it makes people FEEL safer and its very easy to envision a scenario where a firearm could be used to defend yourself, whether you are physically or mentally capable of doing so or not is generally not something that people take into account. BTW. in the above situation, a dog, a gun, and your tear gas and sticks are equally as effective. They are not. So again, if nothing would help the above situation, why bother protecting yourself at all? Why not just accept the fact that you will be robbed, all your belongings will be taken, and there's really nothing you can do about it? Doesn't make much sense, does it? The above is probably pretty close to the ideal residential shakedown. The least amount of risk for the maximum reward. The thing is this - these are not your typical robbers. These people had a plan, they obviously staked out the house, knew how many people it contained, what time the girl left in the morning, hiding places near the car, and that there was something inside worth all the trouble. If I was a betting man, I would bet that someone involved knows the family. In this situation, even though you have a gun pointed at you, you are at very minimal risk of being killed for no reason. I'm sure the people were scared shitless though, and they are probably thanking whatever God it is that they pray to that they were just robbed.
post #171 of 175
whatever, desert eagles look the coolest.
post #172 of 175
With this thread in mind, I will now commence watching Death Wish.
post #173 of 175
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim View Post
I'm not trying to insinuate that a gun actually helps anything. But it makes people FEEL safer and its very easy to envision a scenario where a firearm could be used to defend yourself, whether you are physically or mentally capable of doing so or not is generally not something that people take into account.

BTW. in the above situation, a dog, a gun, and your tear gas and sticks are equally as effective. They are not. So again, if nothing would help the above situation, why bother protecting yourself at all? Why not just accept the fact that you will be robbed, all your belongings will be taken, and there's really nothing you can do about it?

Doesn't make much sense, does it?

The above is probably pretty close to the ideal residential shakedown. The least amount of risk for the maximum reward. The thing is this - these are not your typical robbers. These people had a plan, they obviously staked out the house, knew how many people it contained, what time the girl left in the morning, hiding places near the car, and that there was something inside worth all the trouble. If I was a betting man, I would bet that someone involved knows the family. In this situation, even though you have a gun pointed at you, you are at very minimal risk of being killed for no reason. I'm sure the people were scared shitless though, and they are probably thanking whatever God it is that they pray to that they were just robbed.


true - but my point is this: if you make a list of the 50 most probable threats, from most probable to least probable, you can probrably come up with something that will meet the largest number, without creating any additional threats (and by that I mean possible accidents, or such). so, it would be my belief that a gun and a stick would be just as helpful if a 16 year old breaks in to steal cash lieing around, and just as useless against the above home invasion. it would be difficult, in my opinion, to find a realistic threat that would be met by a handgun and not by a stick, tear gas and or a dog.
post #174 of 175
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Originally Posted by EL72 View Post
I think that analogy is misleading. The reasons you broke into those homes (not to mention your training and prior intell on the targets) are entirely different than any home invasion in the US. When you enter a home with the specific intent of neutralizing and arresting a target, his chances of defending himself are far lower than if you're facing your run of the mill scumbag entering a home hoping to steal some jewelry or electronics. To draw those conclusions about the effectiveness of firearms in defending against intruders is somewhat misleading I believe.

true - but my opinion on this has always been that if the intruder is serious, he will get you, no matter how well armed you are. so you shouldn't be thinking about the odd cases of people breaking into your house to kill you, you should be thinking about the best response to the run of the mill scumbag.
post #175 of 175
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
true - but my opinion on this has always been that if the intruder is serious, he will get you, no matter how well armed you are. so you shouldn't be thinking about the odd cases of people breaking into your house to kill you, you should be thinking about the best response to the run of the mill scumbag.

The best way to deal with such a scumbag is to ignore him.
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