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Are these defective?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

I ordered the Original Chippewa for J.Crew Plain-Toe Boots:  http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/shoes/ruggedboots/PRDOVR~05712/05712.jsp

 

I received two pairs with similar workmanship which I believe to be defects where the stitching ends close to the heel.  I have since sent back the first pair.  I was told by a customer rep that since they were hand crafted, these are not defects, but how this boot is made. I am not sure what to believe since I have read good things about the quality of this brand, and I am wondering if this is just part of the style as the rep told me.  The rest of the shoe looks fine.

 

 

 

First Pair:  These have been returned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second Pair

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by CoolNickname - 11/4/13 at 7:44pm
post #2 of 21

I'd consider it a defect.... The holes in the last picture should have stitching in them.  What's funny though is that, while the opening picture on the JCrew website shows the welt stitching ending about where you've pictured (for a 270-degree welt), the other pictures show 360-degree (full wrap-around) welt stitching (as is typical in the 'basic' 20065 Chippewa boot).  If you're otherwise satisfied with the boot, I'd suggest using a well-placed drop of super glue to secure that flap of welt (I'll typically use "loctite precision max" for stuff like this).  In the end, remember that these are work boots -- with wear, they'll quickly develop other 'imperfections".

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks for pointing that out.  I do like the way these boots fit compared to red wings which felt too narrow for me so I'm hoping these work out.  However, is there any reason why I should want a boot with a 360-degree welt instead?  And if so, could I resole them to a 360-degree welt in the future?

post #4 of 21
I'd say to keep them. I'm willing to bet that even if you order 5 more pairs, they're going to have similar welting. Same deal with Red Wing boots. They're made as work boots, not $1500 Lobbs.
post #5 of 21
hi!

coolnickname , cool boots u have there :x , its nice to have speedlacing unlike mine.

Mine pair of service boot do have the same kind of nicks and imperfection that you have , weird thing is that the welt goes all the way back around the heel,
and whats the material for ur insole ? ,mine is fiberboard frown.gif .............
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by CoolNickname View Post
 

Hi,

 

I ordered the Original Chippewa for J.Crew Plain-Toe Boots:  http://www.jcrew.com/mens_category/shoes/ruggedboots/PRDOVR~05712/05712.jsp

 

I received two pairs with similar workmanship which I believe to be defects where the stitching ends close to the heel.  I was told by a customer rep that since they were hand crafted, these are not defects, but how this boot is made. I am not sure what to believe since I have read good things about the quality of this brand, and I am wondering if this is just part of the style as the rep told me.  The rest of the shoe looks fine.

 

I'm not sure if I would call them "defective" in the sense that they are going to fall apart or anything but I sure would call it disappointing. Even for "work boot", at this price you'd hope they looked a little better or that you shouldn't have to do anything to fix them. That being said, its looks like a small enough detail that after wearing a little and after a few leather treatments, it will likely not be very noticeable. I have other boots (including Chippewa) with this same welt and they don't look like this. But they do have that little extra bit of leather, it just lays flat on the boots I have.

 

If you decide to keep them and try the glues, I would suggest getting some binder clips (or something else) that will hold the leather in place for 12-24 hours. This will help insure that it dries flat and gets a good bond.

 

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Originally Posted by mixProtocol View Post
 

What's funny though is that, while the opening picture on the JCrew website shows the welt stitching ending about where you've pictured (for a 270-degree welt), the other pictures show 360-degree (full wrap-around) welt stitching (as is typical in the 'basic' 20065 Chippewa boot).

 

I noticed the same thing. They have pictures of two different boots. Not only is the welt different but the pull-tab and quick-tie eyelets vary from picture to picture. Its a subtle enough change that's not real noticeable, but its still something J.Crew should correct.

post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hyong91 View Post

hi!

coolnickname , cool boots u have there :x , its nice to have speedlacing unlike mine.

Mine pair of service boot do have the same kind of nicks and imperfection that you have , weird thing is that the welt goes all the way back around the heel,
and whats the material for ur insole ? ,mine is fiberboard frown.gif .............

Wow.  So you have stitching that is incomplete or undone also for a 360-degree welt?  

 

I don't know much about insoles, but I think they are fiberboard.  Here is a picture. 

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by matthewh View Post
 

 

I'm not sure if I would call them "defective" in the sense that they are going to fall apart or anything but I sure would call it disappointing. Even for "work boot", at this price you'd hope they looked a little better or that you shouldn't have to do anything to fix them. That being said, its looks like a small enough detail that after wearing a little and after a few leather treatments, it will likely not be very noticeable. I have other boots (including Chippewa) with this same welt and they don't look like this. But they do have that little extra bit of leather, it just lays flat on the boots I have.

 

If you decide to keep them and try the glues, I would suggest getting some binder clips (or something else) that will hold the leather in place for 12-24 hours. This will help insure that it dries flat and gets a good bond.

 

 

I noticed the same thing. They have pictures of two different boots. Not only is the welt different but the pull-tab and quick-tie eyelets vary from picture to picture. Its a subtle enough change that's not real noticeable, but its still something J.Crew should correct.

Thanks, I feel the same way, and I expect more also. I just needed more assurance that this was a quality issue and not something normal as the rep stated.

 

Also, I just got an email stating that a smaller size was on the way since I wanted to compare sizes.  It will be interesting to see what the next one looks like, but I imagine the imperfections will be the same as REguy mentioned.


Edited by CoolNickname - 11/4/13 at 8:07pm
post #9 of 21
They are fine, that's pretty normal. You're freaking out over, relatively, inexpensive work boots. Chill out and just wear the boots.
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by slide13 View Post

They are fine, that's pretty normal. You're freaking out over, relatively, inexpensive work boots. Chill out and just wear the boots.

Relatively speaking, a little expensive for me.  However, if this is normal for boots of this price range, than I feel better about it.


Edited by CoolNickname - 11/4/13 at 8:08pm
post #11 of 21
It is. And I don't think issues like this are out of line for boots in this price range. I have boots that are well over twice this price that are still not perfect to the discerning eye, that is the reality of boots that have some degree of handwork involved. At least at this price level, maybe when you drop a few grand for benchmade EG or something then things are different, probably. But for roughly $200, there isn't anything to be concerned with, in my opinion.
post #12 of 21



yeah , mine insoles are same as yours ,fiber board and leather heel, i did realized that i have a slit in mine sole ,
i got put mine finger nails in there ,is the same thing happening with yours? , hopefully its not a big matter but i just want to share it with you guys.
Still i like the pair boots alot,the profile is slim compared to mine iron rangers.
Looking forward to their reserve collection though.
post #13 of 21
The boots are fine and they are not defective. That goes for that little space where the sole meets the heel too.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

The boots are fine and they are not defective. That goes for that little space where the sole meets the heel too.


i probably am overacting a bit i guess , i was thinking if it spilts now , would it reduce the life spent of the sole significantly .
Thanks for clarifying smile.gif its mine first pair of chippewa.Another question ,its about the fiberboard insoles,whats your opinion on it ? Would it last ? ..
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by hyong91 View Post

i probably am overacting a bit i guess , i was thinking if it spilts now , would it reduce the life spent of the sole significantly .
Thanks for clarifying smile.gif its mine first pair of chippewa.Another question ,its about the fiberboard insoles,whats your opinion on it ? Would it last ? ..

The insoles would be fine for the vast majority of people. I don't fit that description. What I do to boots is absolutely brutal.
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