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post #61 of 90
Agreedsies.
post #62 of 90
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Originally Posted by alkydrinker View Post
 

In these types of cases, I think the general public needs to get a better grasp on the meaning and importance of private property. Strong private property rights are necessary for a free society. Utopia is impossible and sometimes annoying things can happen when you live in a free society. It doesn't mean you can infringe on the rights of others private property just because something seemed rude or annoying.

 

Think about the discrimination that takes place in the stereotypical exclusive velvet-rope night club regarding letting in and serving some but not others. What kind of response do you think a white suburbanite guy would get walking into certain black urban barbershops. Should you be able to sue a mom-and-pop bodega because they give discounts to certain friends and family from their same country of origin but not you? All people are tribal and "tribes" can be based all sorts of different factors. Discrimination is exercised by each and every person all day long and is necessary for survival on the planet earth.

 

Trying to parse out what kinds of discrimination are ok and which are not is a waste of time and a losing battle, especially since they are based on transitory human thoughts that even the so-called discriminator isn’t completely aware of. What if a high-end store blocks a group of 20 screaming black high school kids from entering, but not a group of 18 elderly whites from a cruise ship tour. Is the discrimination based on race, class, age, behavior, the number in the group, etc? How do we ever find out for sure if this store is a bigot that must be burned at the stake?

 

you sumed it up pretty well

post #63 of 90
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Originally Posted by archetypal_yuppie View Post

I never chimed in about the persons race OR the person's treatment, or any mix of the two. I had zero participation in that initial/OP part of the thread. You appear to be trying to latch me on to this context (I don't know why), when in fact I was only involved in an excellent derail portion.

The only facts at play in my echo of TRINI's "irresponsibility" comment were 1) 21 y/o 2) nursing student 3) 2500 purse. If you want to suggest that race is a factor in my criticism of financial irresponsibility you can do so but you would be wrong.

Referencing the OP topic/race at this point is akin to referncing mafoofan's apt in the mafoofan apt thread. The ship has sailed.

Just wanna chime in here to say that a) the irresponsibility comment was not mine and b) I posted an excellent yet probably TL;DR article as to why exactly a 21-year old nursing student may wish to own a $2500 purse.
post #64 of 90
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Originally Posted by TRINI View Post

Just wanna chime in here to say that a) the irresponsibility comment was not mine and b) I posted an excellent yet probably TL;DR article as to why exactly a 21-year old nursing student may wish to own a $2500 purse.

That was an interesting article, especially for the Styleforum audience. The power of clothing, especially as an indicator that you "get it" when entering a world that isn't entirely yours.

That said, I'm reasonable sure that you don't need a $2500 handbag to ascend out of poverty, nor is there even an incremental gain to be had over a much much less expensive "luxury" bag like Coach. If you're trying to get into the executive suite, maybe you need the big money bag, but for anything else? Seems unlikely. The other items she mentioned (silk shells, etc) are orders of magnitude under that bag, so it's a bit of a different game even if the overall story remains.
post #65 of 90
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That was an interesting article, especially for the Styleforum audience. The power of clothing, especially as an indicator that you "get it" when entering a world that isn't entirely yours.

That said, I'm reasonable sure that you don't need a $2500 handbag to ascend out of poverty, nor is there even an incremental gain to be had over a much much less expensive "luxury" bag like Coach. If you're trying to get into the executive suite, maybe you need the big money bag, but for anything else? Seems unlikely. The other items she mentioned (silk shells, etc) are orders of magnitude under that bag, so it's a bit of a different game even if the overall story remains.

The article was interesting but mostly incorrect. If I see a minority person sporting a $2,500 bag, I don't conclude that she has "made it" or "get's it," rather, I conclude she has wasted her money and doesn't "get it." If she were sporting a "nice" bag, that would be a different story.
post #66 of 90
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Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

The article was interesting but mostly incorrect. If I see a minority person sporting a $2,500 bag, I don't conclude that she has "made it" or "get's it," rather, I conclude she has wasted her money and doesn't "get it." If she were sporting a "nice" bag, that would be a different story.
Does this apply to any minority you see?
post #67 of 90
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Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

The article was interesting but mostly incorrect. If I see a minority person sporting a $2,500 bag, I don't conclude that she has "made it" or "get's it," rather, I conclude she has wasted her money and doesn't "get it." If she were sporting a "nice" bag, that would be a different story.

Not so much about the bag, but about wearing "correct" attire for interviews and social situations. I see this all the time with scientists trying to move from academia to industry. Wear at least a reasonable approximation of business clothing, or they're going to wonder whether you really belong or not. Many people don't make that effort, and it reflects their general attitude on the job world.

None of that justifies a $2500 purse, of course.
post #68 of 90
That's really none of our business. If she saved for it or whatever, she buy whatever she wants. I know plenty of 21 year olds and younger owning cars they really have no business owning.
post #69 of 90
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Originally Posted by kulata View Post


Her "irresponsible" behavior is nobody's business.
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That's really none of our business. If she saved for it or whatever, she buy whatever she wants. I know plenty of 21 year olds and younger owning cars they really have no business owning.
 
 

Would it change your opinion if you learned that she was receiving some sort of government assistance?  In other words, is it the business of taxpayers when people in poor economic positions waste their money?

 

P.S. It's possible she's not in a poor economic position, but let's be real.  A 21-year-old nursing student just spent her tax return on a bag.  She has under $2,500 in the bank and spends money as it comes in on something completely frivolous - an orange bag.  Tell me the odds she's not going to be on some kind of welfare in her life; I'd say so close to 0% it's not even worth debating.

post #70 of 90
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Originally Posted by BigRob View Post

Would it change your opinion if you learned that she was receiving some sort of government assistance?  In other words, is it the business of taxpayers when people in poor economic positions waste their money?

P.S. It's possible she's not in a poor economic position, but let's be real.  A 21-year-old nursing student just spent her tax return on a bag.  She has under $2,500 in the bank and spends money as it comes in on something completely frivolous - an orange bag.  Tell me the odds she's not going to be on some kind of welfare in her life; I'd say so close to 0% it's not even worth debating.
It won't change my opinion. Her money is her money regardless of the source and she can spend it how she damn well pleases, as long as it's not illegal.
post #71 of 90

It's been a slice, lads, but I'm out.  This is just getting silly.  Cole's notes: Racists suck elephant balls 3 at a time.

post #72 of 90
Racists do not suck elephant balls. Racists are dumb, not evil. If you don't think the guy who changes your oil or fixes your plumbing is racist then you're just not paying attention. If every racist were out of a job society would cease to function.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
post #73 of 90
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post #74 of 90
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“I had been looking for that purse in that color for a long time, and it was always out of stock,” said the young mom, who is pregnant with her second child.

 

An inarticulate 21-year-old nursing student, who is unmarried, a mother, and pregnant again, used a temporary debit card to spend her tax return on a $2,500 orange purse.  She now seeks media attention -- and, of course, legal action -- because police officers considered her purchase suspicious and briefly detained her.

 

If this is not what's wrong with America, I don't know what is.

 

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post #75 of 90
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Originally Posted by BigRob View Post

An inarticulate 21-year-old nursing student, who is unmarried, a mother, and pregnant again, used a temporary debit card to spend her tax return on a $2,500 orange purse.  She now seeks media attention -- and, of course, legal action -- because police officers considered her purchase suspicious and briefly detained her.

If this is not what's wrong with America, I don't know what is.
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Based on the cops knew, what was their reasonable suspicion?
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