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post #166 of 426

Yes. But I thought there could be unusual twists as happens with most remakes. But this was exactly the same except in The Departed Mark Wahlberg kills Damon (which is quite satisfying :))!!!

post #167 of 426

The poster of "Mou gaan dou" states "The Motion Picture that inspired The Departed". They could have created the posters again after "The Departed" became big hit I believe.

post #168 of 426
The Departed is a remake of Infernal Affairs. It probably had a big uptake in interest after The Departed came out.

Also, I rewatched Unthinkable. Pretty underrated movie.
post #169 of 426
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Wached Her and it was rubbish
post #170 of 426
Boo... Her was one of the memorable releases of last year. Sipang: defend yourself! fight[1].gif

If I had to guess, I'd say your reservations (your totally unfounded reservations! rooted in vile subjectivities!) must orbit around miss Johannsen. If only you could have believed, as I did, the OS was voiced by Rashida Jones....
post #171 of 426
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Wached Her and it was rubbish

haven't seen it but i like your cynicism you're as dismissive as i am (except take shelter sneaky2.gif )
post #172 of 426
have you guys seen the film "la piel que habito" / "the skin i live in" by pedro almodovar?
i'm not a fan of his other movies, but this is one of the most exciting films of the recent years imo
before you watch it you shouldn't look at the trailer or the back of the dvd packaging or read any texts that contain spoilers
it's a drama mixed with psychological horror, the topic is a bit similar to "eyes without a face" / "les yeux sans visage"
Edited by Zeemon - 1/25/14 at 2:48am
post #173 of 426
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Wached Her and it was rubbish

could you explain in more detail why you thought so? I thought it was a well done, touching movie.

 

also just saw nebraska by payne. it was okay.

post #174 of 426
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Ok rubbish is a bit strong, I didn't hate the film or anything. I thought it was an entertaining piece of social science fiction (film d'anticipation doesn't seem to have an English equivalent so I'll go with Asimov's term) that ultimately falls short of its engaging premise.

I feel like Jonze never really capitalizes on this idea of a relationship between a human being and an OS. He treats the OS/girlfriend/love interest and its interactions with JPhoenix as you would in any classic romcom/drama (I get that it's kind of the point but hear me out) which is annoying because you could replace it with a long distance relationship between two human beings and the film would basically be the same. And well, it's not the same. And as a result I never buy the relationship and the interactions, not because the idea of such relationship in itself would be unbelievable (ppl develop feelings for all kinds of real or unreal things so I don't think it's inherently weird here) but because of the way the film decides to portray it.

Ok, that's not exactly true. The film does address this asymmetry a little bit in the end with the 'nature of love and exclusivity thing/realization' which is the best bit imo (but even the break-up follows a classic romcom pattern). But for most of the film, the AI angle feels a bit like a copout that allows Jonze to smoothly, and a bit lazily, sail along and leave all the thinking and reflectioning to the spectator.

Something like that.


Oh and I also think that the fact that I picture Scarlett Johansson (or Rashida Jones, that works too) uttering those words nullifies (somewhat unconsciously) that whole I don't have a body thing. Which makes the whole relationship more plausible but also undermines what the film is trying to achieve.







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haven't seen it but i like your cynicism you're as dismissive as i am (except take shelter sneaky2.gif )

Felling overly critical of lots of things lately, not sure it's a good thing. (I think you just don't like Jessica Chastain)
post #175 of 426
I don't think there's anything inherently bad about a rom-com formula...come to think of it, Silver Linings Playbook followed it to a T and pulled it off so well that cineastes were scrambling to think up euphemisms for the genre or ways to rationalize their love for a film emblematic of their professed hatreds....

(Not that that is what you were saying)


But for me, though, Her didn't succeed or fail on any conceptual level. Rather, the beauty was in the details. That bit where the protagonist calls out the OS on her breathing was well done, I thought, a good angle, rather than an expected approach, and one that showed jones was probing all the weird logic that would stem from the crazy set-up..... (Tiny example)

Also, that movie had the most frightening and accurate portrayal of phone sex ever...

Like recent Tarrantino, the film didn't rush, and the scenes could breathe, could linger for as long as they had to -- very refreshing when most movies feel like they're on a timer...

Female friends that stayed platonic friends. That was nice.

The costume design!

The best color pallet this side of Wes Anderson..

Hmmm...I didn't buy the relationship or the interactions either...but will probably have to watch again to even work out if I was supposed to. I felt from the get-go that we were not. I could be wrong.
Edited by noob - 1/24/14 at 6:06pm
post #176 of 426
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Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against romcoms. It's not even the format in itself that bothers me but the fact the interactions here are too much like those in a regular romcoms 1. between the protagonists 2. the way Jonze approaches it. I think there was an opportunity here to explore the whole thing in a more probing way (and without going for the weird/scandalous relationship angle either, that would've sucked even more) but Jonze blew it (by deciding 1. 'she's a supersmart AI so she's basically a human without a body and the body isn't important anyway' until he needs a reason for the breakup and suddenly 2. 'she has evolved to be much smarter than a human and now this is a problem'). I think I would've liked more about all the weird logic and maybe clashes between the protagonists' necessarily different perceptions, or at least something that didn't look as seamless and effortless. The sequence with the surrogate body achieved that but I feel like it was just a concept, a weird-cool idea for a sequence that had no real bearing on the overall story or on JPhoenix's mindset. That's where I find Jonze lazy , the ideas are there but there aren't full developed or examined.


The costumes and the whole production design were pretty good. Amy Adams was cool too.
Edited by sipang - 1/24/14 at 8:01pm
post #177 of 426
I really gotta agree with Sipang on this one, although I still did enjoy the movie (it was about a 7/10 for me). The premise really caught my eye. I thought it had a ton of potential to thoroughly explore some interesting ideas between the relationship of a human and AI, but it fell short and instead fit into an almost formulaic mold. Band collar shirts and high rise trousers though icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
I also keep hearing people compare Lost in Translation to Her. I guess I could see some similarities and how they relate. LiT Scarjo is best scarjo.

I also saw Godard's Breathless a few nights ago and I didn't really enjoy it. I understand the impact it had and how innovative it was but it hasn't really aged well as a film imo. Being so young, I guess my perspective has been ruined and I can't really look at it with the eyes of today. I'm going to give Godard another try though and check out Week-end and Alphaville.

Going to watch Gilliam's Brazil tonight.
post #178 of 426

good points sipang. def wasn't a slam dunk, lots of little loose ends. his relationship with his ex-wife seemed a little off. I can't recall another movie other than blade runner that really nailed relationships between synthetics and humans, but i'm not really into sci-fi, lots of the time the acting is shitty. great performances from phoenix and johansson, really carried the movie. really liked phoenix in the master as well, which wasn't that great of a movie after the second half but whatever.

post #179 of 426
Saw Walter Mitty last night, and there was an ad for Her before it. I had heard a lot of praise for it, but didn't really know what it was about, so I was a bit weirded out over the premise. Seemed like an interesting one, though.
post #180 of 426
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I really gotta agree with Sipang on this one, although I still did enjoy the movie (it was about a 7/10 for me). The premise really caught my eye. I thought it had a ton of potential to thoroughly explore some interesting ideas between the relationship of a human and AI, but it fell short and instead fit into an almost formulaic mold. Band collar shirts and high rise trousers though icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
I also keep hearing people compare Lost in Translation to Her. I guess I could see some similarities and how they relate. LiT Scarjo is best scarjo.

I also saw Godard's Breathless a few nights ago and I didn't really enjoy it. I understand the impact it had and how innovative it was but it hasn't really aged well as a film imo. Being so young, I guess my perspective has been ruined and I can't really look at it with the eyes of today. I'm going to give Godard another try though and check out Week-end and Alphaville.

Going to watch Gilliam's Brazil tonight.

If you did not like Breathless, try "Blow Up" by Antonioni. if you don't like that either you might have ADD.
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