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post #1741 of 1753

Just received my #69 BluexBlacks today. My fears about sizing were completely inaccurate. I was worried 34 slim was gonna be too small, but they fit perfectly/I'm now worried they might stretch a bit too much haha. Because of the black weft, I'm not sure how well/how noticeably these will "wear in," but they're a beautiful pair of pants as is. Super excited.

post #1742 of 1753

hey gustin, if you're looking at eBay prices for your products you'll notice that they hover and exceed your normal pricing. this indicates how much disvalue the wait times for your products are. it you shortened wait times, price increases seem viable.  something to think about.

post #1743 of 1753

I'm happy to wait for a lower price point.

post #1744 of 1753

I'm happy with the Gustin prices and the way they do business. 

 

The wait time is part of the deal and is not for everybody - it does take a lot of patience combined with lack of urgency.  I am happy to pay a reasonable price for what I consider to be a quality product.  For me, there is a certain amount of pride in wearing something that I know was made with care by a small company like Gustin.

 

They seem to be transparent about how things are done and they make themselves available to answer questions (not that I have ever asked one, but I've read responses here and on various sites).  It all adds up to a win for them and for us.

post #1745 of 1753
would really like to see some more grey denim like the #24 Slate again sometime soon
post #1746 of 1753
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Originally Posted by CafeRacer99 View Post


I'd guess it's because you can go to Walmart and pick up a denim trucker from Levis, Lee, Wrangler, Carhartt and probably a house brand any day of the week. Not to mention going down to a Goodwill or vintage shop and picking up a well worn one for nothing.

The waxed fabrics are unique. Denim isn't, even if it's selvidge. Just my opinion.

 

I dunno, I like shopping at Walmart, but their clothes usually look and fit horrible. Do people who shop at places like Gustin typically supplement their wardrobes with Walmart clothing? I doubt many people with the dedication to pay in advance and wait months for expensive clothing would be content w/ Walmart but maybe some are. I also don't have any desire to buy someone else's old clothing in most cases.

 

I would have considered the denim trucker jacket if I didn't already own a quality denim jacket from a year before. To be honest, I can understand why many would pass on it. Although I like It, it really looks good only with very casual shirts: flannels and work shirts, preferably without button down collars; sweatshirts; and T-shirts (a denim jacket w/ a fancy or formal shirt is an eyesore, IMO). If the length of the shirt is too long it looks sloppy. Also, it doesn't look that great with blue jeans; so ideally you would also own rugged chinos or non-blue jeans to go with it. I sometimes wish i had purchased a longer chore type coat instead. 

post #1747 of 1753
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Originally Posted by goldenbear View Post

I dunno, I like shopping at Walmart, but their clothes usually look and fit horrible. Do people who shop at places like Gustin typically supplement their wardrobes with Walmart clothing? I doubt many people with the dedication to pay in advance and wait months for expensive clothing would be content w/ Walmart but maybe some are. I also don't have any desire to buy someone else's old clothing in most cases.

I would have considered the denim trucker jacket if I didn't already own a quality denim jacket from a year before. To be honest, I can understand why many would pass on it. Although I like It, it really looks good only with very casual shirts: flannels and work shirts, preferably without button down collars; sweatshirts; and T-shirts (a denim jacket w/ a fancy or formal shirt is an eyesore, IMO). If the length of the shirt is too long it looks sloppy. Also, it doesn't look that great with blue jeans; so ideally you would also own rugged chinos or non-blue jeans to go with it. I sometimes wish i had purchased a longer chore type coat instead. 

I just pulled Walmart out of the air. I think Levi's, Carhartt and Wrangler are viable options though for a denim trucker and you can get all of them at Walmart. That was more my point.
post #1748 of 1753
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Originally Posted by ilovgoogle View Post
 

hey gustin, if you're looking at eBay prices for your products you'll notice that they hover and exceed your normal pricing. this indicates how much disvalue the wait times for your products are. it you shortened wait times, price increases seem viable.  something to think about.

 

A price increase would drive down the demand, I think. What makes Gustin work (in my opinion) is the lower price. Comparing them to other smaller manufacturers' products I've come across (Tellason, Raleigh, Jean Shop), the quality is at least comparable and at the much lower price point, Gustin is a good option. I've only personally owned one pair of Gustins (I sold them because I ordered the wrong size), and won't hesitate to order another pair when the right fabric comes along. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by dapperdoctor View Post
 

I'm happy with the Gustin prices and the way they do business. 

 

The wait time is part of the deal and is not for everybody - it does take a lot of patience combined with lack of urgency.  I am happy to pay a reasonable price for what I consider to be a quality product.  For me, there is a certain amount of pride in wearing something that I know was made with care by a small company like Gustin.

 

They seem to be transparent about how things are done and they make themselves available to answer questions (not that I have ever asked one, but I've read responses here and on various sites).  It all adds up to a win for them and for us.

 

 

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Originally Posted by goldenbear View Post
 

 

I dunno, I like shopping at Walmart, but their clothes usually look and fit horrible. Do people who shop at places like Gustin typically supplement their wardrobes with Walmart clothing? I doubt many people with the dedication to pay in advance and wait months for expensive clothing would be content w/ Walmart but maybe some are. I also don't have any desire to buy someone else's old clothing in most cases.

 

I would have considered the denim trucker jacket if I didn't already own a quality denim jacket from a year before. To be honest, I can understand why many would pass on it. Although I like It, it really looks good only with very casual shirts: flannels and work shirts, preferably without button down collars; sweatshirts; and T-shirts (a denim jacket w/ a fancy or formal shirt is an eyesore, IMO). If the length of the shirt is too long it looks sloppy. Also, it doesn't look that great with blue jeans; so ideally you would also own rugged chinos or non-blue jeans to go with it. I sometimes wish i had purchased a longer chore type coat instead. 

 

 

I think there's a lot less of a market for denim jackets than many people realize. The things last forever, and they aren't really the hottest commodity in fashion. As for me, I have a Tellason Chore Coat (picked up via the Crapshoot), and don't have a need for another denim top.

post #1749 of 1753
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Originally Posted by ilovgoogle View Post
 

hey gustin, if you're looking at eBay prices for your products you'll notice that they hover and exceed your normal pricing. this indicates how much disvalue the wait times for your products are. it you shortened wait times, price increases seem viable.  something to think about.

 

I think a driving force behind this is once somebody gets "sold" on trying Gustin there's an awkward multiple-month waiting period to see if they even got the correct size (potentially followed by another multiple-month wait for hopefully the corrected size), and perhaps they want to pick something else up in the mean time.  

 

For instance I wouldn't mind trying a few shirts, but I'm not willing to wait 3 months-6 months to maybe get one that fits.

 

If I could for instance, try 2 sizes, pick one, and order in my preferred fabrics that would be fine.

 

What I'm really getting at is that I think Gustin would benefit from something like Rancourt's Made to Fit program:

http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/made-to-fit/made-to-fit.html

post #1750 of 1753
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Originally Posted by CafeRacer99 View Post

I just pulled Walmart out of the air. I think Levi's, Carhartt and Wrangler are viable options though for a denim trucker and you can get all of them at Walmart. That was more my point.

I hate to be argumentative over such a minor point, but I just don't think those brands affect Gustin very much. Everything Gustin sells can be had at Walmart or Sears or Khols for a fraction of the cost (obviously with different quality). A quality denim jacket is less easily found than many items Gustin sells. It just doesnt seem to be an item people are very interested in right now.
post #1751 of 1753
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Originally Posted by Hailstorm View Post

I think a driving force behind this is once somebody gets "sold" on trying Gustin there's an awkward multiple-month waiting period to see if they even got the correct size (potentially followed by another multiple-month wait for hopefully the corrected size), and perhaps they want to pick something else up in the mean time.  

For instance I wouldn't mind trying a few shirts, but I'm not willing to wait 3 months-6 months to maybe get one that fits.

If I could for instance, try 2 sizes, pick one, and order in my preferred fabrics that would be fine.

What I'm really getting at is that I think Gustin would benefit from something like Rancourt's Made to Fit program:
http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/made-to-fit/made-to-fit.html

Just from personal experience, I have ordered 1 shirt and 1 pair of jeans, and won't order anything else until I see how these fit. I'm not sure what the solution to the problem is, if there is one, but the wait times do make repeat ordering more difficult--at least initially.
Edited by goldenbear - Today at 5:49 pm
post #1752 of 1753
My opinion on the trucker was, frankly, that it wasn't a very good design. I think the mix of a Type III with patch pockets (that is, pockets that are sewn onto the outside of the jacket) just wasn't a good look. Also, the jacket's measurements were very cropped. Basically, they tried to apply their model to an untraditional design.

The thing about truckers is that most people want traditional. Unless it's a spectacular design, most people don't want it. My suggestion for truckers is to go with a normal Type III jacket, with slot pockets, and not so cropped of a body. Something traditional and, frankly, generic. And then provide the ability for people to buy that traditional style with all sorts of interesting selvedge denims. I had been planning on buying a Gustin trucker before I saw the design. When I saw it, I knew right away it wasn't what I was looking for.

Another problem was, frankly, the price. The normal jeans are $81+5 shipping. The truckers were $145+20 shipping. Now, I'm sure that the prices are 100% the proper cost. But the relative prices to traditional markets aren't there at those prices. At $86 for a pair of great selvedge denim jeans, you are deeply undercutting the guys who are selling jeans for $230-$300. Hell, at $200, my 26oz are still less than half of anything comparable I can find, and it helps that I love Gustin's fit for me. But at $165 for the trucker... that's not impulse territory, anymore, and since it was a non-traditional design you can't even say "It's so much cheaper than comparable jackets that look just as good!"

Now the good news: This is why I'm a fan of Gustin's business model. They only lost out of the R&D costs of the trucker, and a lot of those costs can roll right into a new design. They didn't pre-pay for those truckers and find that no one wanted it. The market voted with their dollars, and said try again. Or the market said "well the blue line is a nice denim, but I don't want to buy this and then have them release a denim I want even more tomorrow," and the takeaway should be that the run size needs to be smaller.

Hopefully Gustin does try again, and sees that what their market wants is just a plain, normal trucker jacket offered in Cone BluexBlack, and the 18oz sweatpant denim, and Okayama standard, and raw umber. If they just replicate the Levi Type III in those denims, they'll sell their runs again (maybe with smaller batch sizes next time too).
Edited by wdahab - Today at 8:19 pm
post #1753 of 1753
Agreed about the denim jacket. I really wanted one before, still looking for something not $300+, but really didn't like Gustin's design of it. A nice, simple Type III would be good.
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