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post #31 of 151
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Originally Posted by DGP View Post
Yes, to the tiny percentage of the population who purchases PP, VC, Lange, and AP, they are very much mid-range. To everyone else, who doesn't see distinctions at the top the way the minority does, it's right up there with the best of them.

I'd consider some of their vintage offerings quite up there.
post #32 of 151
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Originally Posted by dave View Post
JLC is far and away my favorite mid-range brand. that being said, buy it second hand unless you intend it to be a keeper. they dont do extremely well in the resale market.

I have to say though, i bought a reverso grande reserve a while ago thinking it would be fun to own until the novelty wore off. now i realize i will own it forever. it's just that nice.

as for a 2 tone sub, they are less loved than say, an all steel version but they hold their value like any other rolex (aside form the explorers) would.

have a look at the new GMT as well. the ceramic bezel is a winner in person. it really sets it apart from a sub as well.

The JLC Grandes are gorgeous watches -- I'm quite fond of the Grande Date; I'm pretty sure it's my next watch.
post #33 of 151
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Originally Posted by DGP View Post
Yes, to the tiny percentage of the population who purchases PP, VC, Lange, and AP, they are very much mid-range. To everyone else, who doesn't see distinctions at the top the way the minority does, it's right up there with the best of them.

While I would consider JLC a step below the houses you mention, to use the term mid-range is ridiculous.
post #34 of 151
FWIW, I think that people who really are satisfied with their Omegas should spend their time posting pictures of their cool watches rather than trying to bash Rolex in a generic sort of way. Especially if they don't have any experience owning a Rolex. And I say this as the proud owner of three modern and two vintage Omegas.
post #35 of 151
^^^ who has been "bashing" Rolex in this thread?
post #36 of 151
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Originally Posted by Tomasso View Post
While I would consider JLC a step below the houses you mention, to use the term mid-range is ridiculous.

It isn't if you only consider the top five makers to be the "top range." What's next, the "almost top range," or something like that?
post #37 of 151
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Originally Posted by DGP View Post
Yes, to the tiny percentage of the population who purchases PP, VC, Lange, and AP, they are very much mid-range. To everyone else, who doesn't see distinctions at the top the way the minority does, it's right up there with the best of them.

I don't see how being inexpensive equals mid-range. I feel that JLCs are every bit the equals of the more common models of the brands you mentioned (e.g. the Lange 1815, AP RO, simple Calatravas, etc.), at a what is often a bargain price.
post #38 of 151
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
^^^ who has been "bashing" Rolex in this thread?

If you are asking me, I was only referring to the premise which seems implicit in the original post itself, not to anything that came after.

Actually, this thread and the posters have been remarkably civil for one titled "Omega vs. Rolex".
post #39 of 151
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Originally Posted by woodywoodson View Post
Actually, this thread and the posters have been remarkably civil for one titled "Omega vs. Rolex".
That's what I thought too.

Coming back on your original point, please feel free to post scans of your Omega watches - there is actually a watch p0rn thread that I started for that purpose. I posted a pic of my 1972 Speedy and am going to post shortly a pic of one of my vintage Omega
post #40 of 151
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Actually, this thread and the posters have been remarkably civil for one titled "Omega vs. Rolex".

Yep, even I have been behaving.
post #41 of 151
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
My guess is that you would buy a Patek Philippe watch for the same reasons people buy Rolex. I hope you can see the irony

If there were a god and he were merciful, this thread would have ended with this reply.

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Originally Posted by kshah View Post
I was thinking of getting a JLC Reverso Duo, but I am unsure of the resale value against the standard, the two tone Submariner. From what I've gathered, they hold up well physically, and are relatively easy to liquidate.

Resale value strikes me as a very poor criterion for choosing a watch. If you're worried about recouping your money, you should be investing in something else.
post #42 of 151
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Originally Posted by woodywoodson View Post
I don't see how being inexpensive equals mid-range. I feel that JLCs are every bit the equals of the more common models of the brands you mentioned (e.g. the Lange 1815, AP RO, simple Calatravas, etc.), at a what is often a bargain price.

Go to a store that carries both JLC and Lange, or PP or another top tier manufacturer and compare them side by side. all will become clear.

It's not about price, although it does reflect in the pricing usually, but quality of fit and finish. have a look at the chamfers on the plates of a Patek movement and you will absolutely notice a difference. and the decoration on the 3/4 plate of a lange is jaw dropping through a loupe.

not to say that a JLC is any slouch though. they are, in terms of today's aoutrageous watch market, a superior value. they just aren't the equal of the top-tier.
post #43 of 151
dave - it all depends on how wide your tiers are and how many tiers you have in mind. VC, Lange and others you mentioned are not top tier either if you compare them to some of the AHCI/independent watchmakers. An AP's finish is "mid-tier" compared to the finish of a Dufour movement.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's all relative. I don't mind you calling JLC "mid-tier" but in my mind, JLC is higher than "mid" if you consider the entire gamut of quality from the most cheaply made to the best. They would be in the 90th percentile or so
post #44 of 151
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post
Then I'd guess EG Top Drawer is midrange, too.

Sure - if you're talking about shoes in general.

Top Drawer looks really nice but I imagine they are definitely midrange when the curve is set by the best bespoke.

If you're talking RTW, they're likely very near the top.

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Originally Posted by Tomasso View Post
While I would consider JLC a step below the houses you mention, to use the term mid-range is ridiculous.

When people talk about the top tier in watches it's usually a small group - the "big three" + a few more.

JLC is one of the best values out there IMO but not quite at the top and therefore falls into a wide middle range of mechanicals.



I really don't understand why people can't be content with liking what they like and buying what they do.

What's best for someone given his preferences and budget isn't necessarily the best or one of the best that's out there - and there's no shame in that.
post #45 of 151
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Originally Posted by dave View Post
Go to a store that carries both JLC and Lange, or PP or another top tier manufacturer and compare them side by side. all will become clear.
Mid tier . I own AP, JLC, IWC and VC and the only one that is at all out of step with the others is the IWC which is one of their entry level models.
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