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post #436 of 1045
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jjl500,

Please bear in mind that this is just a sample and the finished shoe will have a toe that is more like the Chaves, which should help. For the MTO I think we'd probably have to stay with one colour to avoid the upcharge. That being the case. what colour would you prefer?

Foster & Son

Understood and thank you. This is already looking good with the strong possibility the final product will be even better!

I completely understand the need to cater to the majority and if the membership favour brown, then so be it. I still think a black calf with fading would be exceptional. Unique design and finishing that (to my knowledge) is not available as a RTW with other makers makes this project that little bit more 'special'.
post #437 of 1045
It's obviously excellent quality, but I think the wave-like brogueing just looks plain awful. I also dislike the 'dog's ear' back, which on many shoes, particularly sleek Oxfords ruins the lines of the shoes. This is a reason why I am deterred from buying the Crockett & Jones Connaught. Church's used to do a nice Oxford, but their quality has gone down the pan.
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Sample shoe - the creative process Part 2

Gentlemen,

In what might seem to the unsuspecting member to be an act of serendipity we have just received another sample of the Thomas brogue which seems to be much nearer the mark.

It is in brown calf and the details are exactly the same as the Thomas, down to the closure at the heel - we are very keen to make this up for Styleforum members on our new last. The finishing details will be the same as for the Fawley from a few pages ago including the bevel waist. Prices will be £665 for a minimum order of 10 pairs (including VAT but not including fading).

What do you think?























Foster & Son
post #438 of 1045
^Agree about the dog tail. Everything else you said? Just no
post #439 of 1045
Second sample looks great! Minor suggestions: narrow the waist a bit (like the bespoke example), get the toe a little more like the Chaves, and raise the height of the brogue in back just a touch. Is this sample also made by C&J?
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nutcracker,

The full brogue derby is out at the moment but we've photographed both a semi-brogue derby and a full-brogue oxford for you. The derby has a bevelled waist and the oxford a flat waist. Please let us know if you need more pictures.

Foster & Son













Thank you!

Those shoes are amazing. Beautiful form.
The color looks like chestnut? Or are they aged 'tan'? Almost looks fresh by not having the typical 'antique' finish (darkened toes etc...) we see so much today.
post #441 of 1045

F&S, all very very nice shoes.  Would love to see the full brogue derby too.  You were saying that the fading can be applied even to the brown shoes, do you have any examples to show?

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Second sample looks great! Minor suggestions: narrow the waist a bit (like the bespoke example), get the toe a little more like the Chaves, and raise the height of the brogue in back just a touch. Is this sample also made by C&J?

 

Mr. Six, you're reading our mind on this! Waist will be narrower, toe shape is being looked at as we speak, and we will see how the brogueing turns out. Sample not made by C&J though when I first looked at it that was my guess too!

 

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^Agree about the dog tail. Everything else you said? Just no

 

OzzyJones, many thanks, see below re fastening.

 

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Originally Posted by rabiesinfrance View Post

It's obviously excellent quality, but I think the wave-like brogueing just looks plain awful. I also dislike the 'dog's ear' back, which on many shoes, particularly sleek Oxfords ruins the lines of the shoes. This is a reason why I am deterred from buying the Crockett & Jones Connaught. Church's used to do a nice Oxford, but their quality has gone down the pan.

 

rabiesinfrance, is there a design you'd prefer (we posted a lazyman a couple of pages ago)? We're quite happy to have more than one MTO proposition. BTW I think the fastening at the back can be looked at, I'll certainly feed your comments back.

 

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Understood and thank you. This is already looking good with the strong possibility the final product will be even better!

I completely understand the need to cater to the majority and if the membership favour brown, then so be it. I still think a black calf with fading would be exceptional. Unique design and finishing that (to my knowledge) is not available as a RTW with other makers makes this project that little bit more 'special'.

 

jjl5000, many thanks for the feedback. The jury is still out on the colour and we'll be guided by members. Take your point entirely about faded black.

post #443 of 1045
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Sample shoe - the creative process Part 2

Gentlemen,

In what might seem to the unsuspecting member to be an act of serendipity we have just received another sample of the Thomas brogue which seems to be much nearer the mark.

It is in brown calf and the details are exactly the same as the Thomas, down to the closure at the heel - we are very keen to make this up for Styleforum members on our new last. The finishing details will be the same as for the Fawley from a few pages ago including the bevel waist. Prices will be £665 for a minimum order of 10 pairs (including VAT but not including fading).

What do you think?








Foster & Son

If someone is looking for a unmistakable F&S style for a ready to wear price tag, I believe this must be one of them. The pattern cutting is quite distinct, and it Interesting how even the heel details are replicated.

I do have a question (again, sorry!). What do you folks at F&S think about offering a RTW model that closely replicates a famous Bespoke style? Is there a risk that an aura, or an exclusive factor, somehow diminishes for the bespoke (Thomas, in this case)? Or perhaps that may be seen as something way more positive since a signature design can now be within reach for more folks.
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I do have a question (again, sorry!). What do you folks at F&S think about offering a RTW model that closely replicates a famous Bespoke style?

Ha ha, NC, you are putting in writing what I've been thinking to myself for the last few days but was too shy to say out loud.  The surefire way of getting the MTO to a flying start would be to offer exactly what NC proposed in a limited 1 time run of say a 90 - 95% copy of the Chaves, Thomas or the full brogue.

post #445 of 1045
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jjl500,

 

Please bear in mind that this is just a sample and the finished shoe will have a toe that is more like the Chaves, which should help. For the MTO I think we'd probably have to stay with one colour to avoid the upcharge. That being the case. what colour would you prefer?

 

Foster & Son

 

With a toe closer to the Chaves i would be in for MTO in brown with fading

post #446 of 1045
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Thank you!

Those shoes are amazing. Beautiful form.
The color looks like chestnut? Or are they aged 'tan'? Almost looks fresh by not having the typical 'antique' finish (darkened toes etc...) we see so much today.

 

nutcracker, they are very distinctive and I'd put the colour at chestnut myself. You're also right about the lack of burnishing on the toe. I know that DWFII made some points about patination a while ago and this would seem to bear his points out with regard to where it naturally occurs. Not that there's anything wrong with burnishing of course.

 

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F&S, all very very nice shoes.  Would love to see the full brogue derby too.  You were saying that the fading can be applied even to the brown shoes, do you have any examples to show?

 

barky, we'll get the full brogue to you as soon as we can and we'll also have a look for  a pair of faded brown shoes. The challenge is that up until now we only faded bespoke models and we don't routinely photograph them, the reason being that a very large proportion of our customers are looking for unique designs and we respect their desire for discretion. If we can't find a photo we will see about fading a shoe from our existing line up so you can get the idea.

 

Foster & Son

post #447 of 1045
Here's what I'm getting at:

Like: Church's Oxford

Like: Cleverley bespoke

Dislike: C&J Connaught

I also like the Edward Green heel counter on the Malvern, Chelsea and Cadogan.

The Cleverley colour is wonderful.
Edited by rabiesinfrance - 11/29/13 at 5:42am
post #448 of 1045
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Ha ha, NC, you are putting in writing what I've been thinking to myself for the last few days but was too shy to say out loud.  The surefire way of getting the MTO to a flying start would be to offer exactly what NC proposed in a limited 1 time run of say a 90 - 95% copy of the Chaves, Thomas or the full brogue.

 

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Originally Posted by nutcracker View Post


If someone is looking for a unmistakable F&S style for a ready to wear price tag, I believe this must be one of them. The pattern cutting is quite distinct, and it Interesting how even the heel details are replicated.

I do have a question (again, sorry!). What do you folks at F&S think about offering a RTW model that closely replicates a famous Bespoke style? Is there a risk that an aura, or an exclusive factor, somehow diminishes for the bespoke (Thomas, in this case)? Or perhaps that may be seen as something way more positive since a signature design can now be within reach for more folks.

 

Guys, very, very good question.

 

From our point of view it's a balance between accessibility and exclusivity. As we mentioned in our last post many of our bespoke customers are heavily involved in the design process and are very clear about what they want. They would be extremely unhappy - quite rightly - if we were to then offer their design ideas to a broader audience when they've made such a big investment in exclusivity (some of the designs that customers commission are breathtakingly beautiful btw).

 

However, in the case of the Thomas, the design is already in the public domain and we believe in making these 'public' designs available to a broader constituency for precisely the reasons you have outlined in your post. That's not to say that we will get traction for all of our suggestions, more that we want to offer the opportunity to the community.

 

Hope this answers your question.

 

Foster & Son

post #449 of 1045
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Originally Posted by AlexG33 View Post
 

 

With a toe closer to the Chaves i would be in for MTO in brown with fading

AlexG33, noted sir

post #450 of 1045
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Here's what I'm getting at:

Like: Church's Oxford

Like: Cleverley bespoke

Dislike: C&J Connaught

I also like the Edward Green heel counter on the Malvern, Chelsea and Cadogan.

The Cleverley colour is wonderful.

rabiesinfrance, we'll work on it sir!

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