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post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 
I'm relatively new to this forum and have been reading with interests the various threads on Jantzen's and Chan's. These seem like great resources for good value shirts and suits respectively. I'm wondering if someone can recommend a source for equally good value ties. I couldn't care less about brand name but I do care about price (preferably less than $50), good quality (need not be seven fold, but ought to be able to tie a nice knot after a year's worth of wear), and interesting but not faddish designs (I like designs that are classic but not boring -- I'm not big on repp ties for example -- and lean towards bolder patterns -- e.g., I prefer large dots to small ones). I've looked around on Ebay but without much success. Any ideas?
post #2 of 32
The wonderful thing about ties is that such a great variety of them go on very deep sale twice a year. If you wait until Neiman Marcus's Last Call sale, for example, you can get ties from most of the big-name brands for 2/3 off. That means a Kiton seven-fold for $65, a Charvet for $45, a Talbott Best of Class for $40, and so on. Unlike suits, where you have to have some luck to find a suit you want in your size, there really is no problem with ties. Frankly, there aren't too many tie brands retailing for less than $50 that I've seen that I would want to wear -- Brooks Brothers often has decent ties, but the average retail price is now significantly above $50; I've been relatively impressed with the construction quality (if not necessarily the design aesthetic) from Lands' End ties, but I haven't tried one in years. No, for me, end-of-season sales at high-end retailers are the way to go for reasonably-priced ties.
post #3 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thanks Jcusey. I took a quick look on the NM website, and they got some decent designs. Are their last call sales at the same time each year? If so, when?
post #4 of 32
For quality ties I say frequent TJ Maxx and Marshall's where you regularly will find makers such as Ike Behar for ~$16 or less. I just bought two Ted Baker ties for $8 each on clearance. They've recently had Givenchy, Kenzo, Prochownick, XMI, Burma Bibas, Joseph Abboud, etc. Filene's would also be a good place to check, although I'm not local to one. I also recommend checking thrift stores. I've found Gucci, Hermes, Brooks Brothers, Holliday & Brown, Ralph Lauren Purple Label, Robert Talbott Best of Class (and others) all for $1 each in basically "as new" condition. Admittedly, thrift shopping is a hit and miss proposition. The only tie I'll pay retail for is a bow tie, and that's only because I have to.
post #5 of 32
might be going out on a limb here, but if you like the feeling of a substantial tie, go for zegna. they are often at discounters such as off fifth and many others for about $50. i personally like the feeling of their silk as well as most of their designs.
post #6 of 32
I second the sale route. Neimans and Barney's just had their annual summer sales where last season's merchandise is marked down a huge amount. (Of course "last season" in fashion means "this season" on the calendar, so you can buy this year's summer trends in June and still have a couple months to wear them. The people I know who routinely buy "fashion" product do this almost exclusively, and even have favorite sales people in the stores who are known to hold particularly nice item back until sale time&#33. If you want a good every day value tie, then I would recommend the Carlo Franco Como line of 7-folds. These are the lined 7-folds similar to Kiton, etc. Chuck sells them online for $80 at www.carlofranco.com. They are easily as good as the $195 Kiton's. Order processing can sometimes be erratic (but not Jantzen league&#33 but the merchandise is top notch and the price is definitely right if you're willing to go above your $50 threshold. My next choice would be something like Ike Behar. I've got a few self-tipped, self-looped, woven skilk ties that I picked up for cheap at Nordstrom ($40 or less - though I think list is a bit higher).
post #7 of 32
You may also want to try: Tie Deals And for Jay Kos ties, this ebay seller: The Intelligent Alternative Check this chart in Forbes Magazine to see how Jay Kos ties stack up against names like Charvet.
post #8 of 32
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You may also want to try: Tie Deals And for Jay Kos ties, this ebay seller: The Intelligent Alternative Check this chart in Forbes Magazine to see how Jay Kos ties stack up against names like Charvet.
DesmondC: Nothing personal here, but there is nothing quite like a financial magazine rating "the Finest" ties. Sorry for all those that have Talbott Ties. They didnt rate. Where did they get all those BEAUTIFUL ties to test? And did they stop and slice up the ties that have self tipping to see if they have linings that run the entire length of the tie as they maintain? (It actually runs up about 5 inches on the wider side and 3 on the thinner side). And I especially enjoyed the fact that they tell you that to find a decent tie you will probably start at 35 and up and then proceed to extoll the virtues of "andrew's Ties" which start according to thew slide show at $29.00 What would happen if any of the decent fashion magazines rated Mutual Funds. Would anyone serious pay attention? Finally should I get nervous that the impending doom of wearing ties is around the corner now that they have spoken that its in an upswing? JJF
post #9 of 32
As for Talbott's, I would say their regular line is a decent tie, not necessarily distinguishable from many others, however. I have a Best of Class that is a nice substantial tie that would hold its own on the upper tier. One of the issues with Talbott's, as is often noted, is their styling. I do not have one of their seven-folds. As to self tipping, I usually run my finger into self-tipped ties from the wide end and you can always find where the tipping ends. I would assume that tipping is really an aesthetic issue and doesn't really contribute in a substantive way to the tie's construction. As long as one has something to tip with and that something is silk not acetate it would be fine. Now a fully self-tipped tie does add to the luxuriousness of it. Obviously this does not apply to seven-folds. For bargains, look to end of season sales, Bluefly, Yoox and ebay, and again, Marshall's, TJMaxx, etc. I have not yet had the good pleasure of trying FIH or Carlo Franco ties, however I'm always open to assess test models from either maker. I will say this, I greatly appreciate such boutique makers who are bringing what is apparently a high quality product at a relative discount made in small numbers.
post #10 of 32
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As for Talbott's, I would say their regular line is a decent tie, not necessarily distinguishable from many others, however. I have a Best of Class that is a nice substantial tie that would hold its own on the upper tier. One of the issues with Talbott's, as is often noted, is their styling. I do not have one of their seven-folds. As to self tipping, I usually run my finger into self-tipped ties from the wide end and you can always find where the tipping ends. I would assume that tipping is really an aesthetic issue and doesn't really contribute in a substantive way to the tie's construction. As long as one has something to tip with and that something is silk not acetate it would be fine. Now a fully self-tipped tie does add to the luxuriousness of it. Obviously this does not apply to seven-folds. For bargains, look to end of season sales, Bluefly, Yoox and ebay, and again, Marshall's, TJMaxx, etc. I have not yet had the good pleasure of trying FIH or Carlo Franco ties, however I'm always open to assess test models from either maker.    I will say this, I greatly appreciate such boutique makers who are bringing what is apparently a high quality product at a relative discount made in small numbers.
AlanC: I actually chose Talbotts due to the populal feedback that it recieved when we had that thread about tie brands, and I was definately referring to the best of class.  The seven folds are I think out of most humans range (300 a pop is a wee bit excessive IMO for any expendable and easily ruined garment, (see "How many ties do you own" thread) ), however there are many other tie brands that should be mentioned in a discussion like that.  (I mean...where the heck was FIH? ) my point was simply that style should be left to style magazines, not to Finance magazines.  Even if they do call the writer the Connoiseur. As I mentioned in my Post about the ties, Self tipping is simply an aesthetic manner in which to accomplish something of function.  The tipping on the ties prevents the lining from slipping out.  In a real seven fold you dont have a lining so you dont need tipping.  I would disagree with you regarding the Luxuriousness of a fully self (tipped? isnt that oxymoronic?) backed tie and maintain that all those linings and layers would make the tie unwieldy and too bulky to tie. Finally about the testing...NO...thank G-d I am past the testing stage, and its my pleasure and honor (and I am sure Carlo's as well) to offer to and have our products accepted by discerning and discriminating customers such as yourselves. Man, you guys are a tough crowd to please. JJF EDITED FOR GRAMMAR
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Finally about the testing...NO...thank G-d I am past the testing stage, and its my pleasure and honor (and I am sure Carlo's as well) to offer and have our products accepted to such discerning and discriminating customers as yourselves.
Drat.
post #12 of 32
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The seven folds are I think out of most humans range (300 a pop is a wee bit excessive IMO for any expendable and easily ruined garment, (see "How many ties do you own" thread) ), however there are many other tie brands that should be mentioned in a discussion like that. (I mean...where the heck was FIH? ) my point was simply that style should be left to style magazines, not to Finance magazines. Even if they do call the writer the Connoiseur.
Talbott 7-folds retail in the neighborhood of $225 instead of $300, but your point is well-taken. I own exactly one of them; and I bought it because I loved the fabric, and I just had to have a Talbott 7-fold. I can't defend it as a rational expenditure of money, and I won't try to. It's a wonderful tie, but geez. I'd agree with your point about not taking style advice from financial magazines, but there aren't a whole lot of style magazines that you should pay attention to, either. Alas, they're mostly dreck, too.
post #13 of 32
Hi FIHties, Your point about financial magazines is well taken, especially the omission of Talbott ties of which I have a few. Having said that, last night I received 3 Jay Kos ties I had ordered and they are superb. They are also excellent value -- he's got a buy 2, get 1 free deal -- at less than US$100 for all 3. I've also bought Duchamp ties at tiedeals.com so I can personally recommend that site as well.
post #14 of 32
Charvet ties are very good, as are Talbott, but one wonders at the criteria Forbes used. The article was a general overview, not a focus on the best tiemakers in the world. Charvet uses a label as a keeper, and the label detaches with wear. Kiton, Barbera, Borrelli, Drake's and half a dozen other quality makers use a loop sewn into the seam. A better constructed tie, and equally good silks for generally the same price.
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Charvet ties are very good, as are Talbott, but one wonders at the criteria Forbes used. The article was a general overview, not a focus on the best tiemakers in the world. Charvet uses a label as a keeper, and the label detaches with wear. Kiton, Barbera, Borrelli, Drake's and half a dozen other quality makers use a loop sewn into the seam. A better constructed tie, and equally good silks for generally the same price.
To me its a bit strange that a decent tie maker would not include the Loop in the back. I dont pay my tie makers anything extra to include that and its certainly a very good practical feature to have. Regarding the forbes article, I dont remember if they spoke about the stitching. Also what struck me odd about the weight of the ties as being a factor is that while weights are important, however the weights of the ties are not only a product of the silks as Forbes maintains but are directly affected by the lining. A thinner lining will obviousely grant you a lighter weight and a thinner tie (benificial for smaller knots for those that prefer them) and is no reflection on the quality of silk used. The same silks can produce to entirely different feeling ties due to the lining. I know this first hand from experience. I also dont know of any tie makers that use silk to line the tie as mentioned in the article. Anyone? JJF
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