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post #5236 of 6054
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Originally Posted by KPDarb View Post

I think much confusion stemmed from people trying to base their warlow size on the Marlow. There seems to be a lack of consistency on what the size translates to in UK and therefore multiple opinions either way. I would imagine it would be more reliable if sizing was based on a Pembroke or coniston (shoe/boot on 325) instead of trying to decipher a specific models us/uk conversion. Almost every review or post about a 325 lasted CJ (non RL or bb model) went TTS US-1=UK. It seems pretty consistent for people with normal or slightly wide feet but of course there are exceptions.

 

 

While there were many variations in sizing some years back with the RL line, it seems those issues have been rectified in recent times.

 

Lauren and CJ were very clear and adamant about sizing down one full size for this order.  This was built on the standard 325 last and so there should have been no confusion to size down one full size.

 

However, I am very aware of past sizing anomalies in the CJ for RL line and that remaining vestige of doubt is what caused perception issues this time.

 

CJ seems to have a bit of a time with having variations in sizing (As EVERY maker does).  Just ask @Akeem

 

Thanks.

post #5237 of 6054

So... GMTO:

 

Any interest in a CJ for BB (Peal & Co.) wingtip?  I'm thinking about this guy (240 Last):

 

 

I've received MTO pricing... so I'm estimating (pending confirmation) GMTO pricing as:

 

£600 w/VAT

£495 ex VAT

£30/50 shipped US / HK-Japan

 

At current exchange, this is a show-stopper.  Big caveat is that I am awaiting pricing confirmation... just testing the waters at the moment.

 

Initial thoughts are to keep it stock, maybe do a Rendenbach sole (+£40).  Not a brother to the 325-lasted, storm welted Warlow, but perhaps a more refined cousin.

 

This shoe is pretty proliferate, if I understand correctly... is there enough demand for 12?  If no, I'll just hang out for the next BB corp sale (where it will be more expensive, actually)...

 

Thoughts?

post #5238 of 6054
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While there were many variations in sizing some years back with the RL line, it seems those issues have been rectified in recent times.

Lauren and CJ were very clear and adamant about sizing down one full size for this order.  This was built on the standard 325 last and so there should have been no confusion to size down one full size.

However, I am very aware of past sizing anomalies in the CJ for RL line and that remaining vestige of doubt is what caused perception issues this time.

CJ seems to have a bit of a time with having variations in sizing (As EVERY maker does).  Just ask @Akeem


Thanks.

it is true. my right and left boots don't match. don't ask me how I feel about it.
post #5239 of 6054
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Originally Posted by Akeem View Post


it is true. my right and left boots don't match. don't ask me how I feel about it.


Remember that my whole point in this that variation in sizing has nothing to do with the CJ for RL line, but rather anomalies occur across the board.

 

If you guys don't like variations in sizing....stay away from Alden.....:)

post #5240 of 6054
I did a lot of research, including finding quotes from C&J management confirming that the Marlow size is .5 greater than the UK size, and marked as D.

So, my 11.5 D Marlow should be an 11E UK.

Regarding the Warlow, the length is spot on. They do feel a bit wider, but I'm not sure if it's a full width difference. There is a lot of speculation out there that the Marlow was not build on an standard C&J E width 325 last, but on a narrower last.

I might trace out the insole to see if they're the same.

Either way, are they wider? Yes, at least mine are. Are they too wide? I don't think so. I may have to get a tongue pad, but they're to damn beautiful not to wear.

EWpkvkJl.jpg
post #5241 of 6054
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Originally Posted by gsgleason View Post

I did a lot of research, including finding quotes from C&J management confirming that the Marlow size is .5 greater than the UK size, and marked as D.

So, my 11.5 D Marlow should be an 11E UK.

Regarding the Warlow, the length is spot on. They do feel a bit wider, but I'm not sure if it's a full width difference. There is a lot of speculation out there that the Marlow was not build on an standard C&J E width 325 last, but on a narrower last.

I might trace out the insole to see if they're the same.

Either way, are they wider? Yes, at least mine are. Are they too wide? I don't think so. I may have to get a tongue pad, but they're to damn beautiful not to wear.

EWpkvkJl.jpg

dude, those are a sweet
post #5242 of 6054

C&J Marlow PTB on Whiskey Cordovan appears to be confirmed. Lauren said that she has 12, so I am hoping that we'll have our cards charged very soon.

post #5243 of 6054
Lauren was very adamant that you should size down 0.5 from RL Marlow/Lindrick 325. Which is odd since the standard conversion is usually 1 full size fromUS to UK, but it seems as though C&J only adds 0.5 when converting from UK to US.

Which is very confusing.

But ultimately, it should equate to 1 full size down from your US brannock measurement. At least, in theory.
post #5244 of 6054
Crazy.. NY Store has always said 1 down from US..
post #5245 of 6054
I think the Marlow US must be specific to US sizing hence the confusion.. Hey .. there maybe some awesome makeup's available soon..
post #5246 of 6054
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post

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While there were many variations in sizing some years back with the RL line, it seems those issues have been rectified in recent times.

Lauren and CJ were very clear and adamant about sizing down one full size for this order.  This was built on the standard 325 last and so there should have been no confusion to size down one full size.

However, I am very aware of past sizing anomalies in the CJ for RL line and that remaining vestige of doubt is what caused perception issues this time.

CJ seems to have a bit of a time with having variations in sizing (As EVERY maker does).  Just ask @Akeem


Thanks.

This is true I emailed Lauren my Marlow size and she advised me to size down .5 from that i.e. my standard C&J size
post #5247 of 6054
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Originally Posted by chipshot View Post

Crazy.. NY Store has always said 1 down from US..

I feel like the major issue is with their C&J for US retailers (RL, BB) at least on the 325 last.

From what I can gather, they seem to be doing some weird half size conversion to go UK to US, even though it should traditionally be one full size.

So for example:

US 9D brannock = US 8.5D Marlow = 8E Pembroke
post #5248 of 6054

Since we're sharing our experiences...

 

She asked me what other manufacturers and lasts I have in my rotation.  I gave her a list of about 10 combinations and she gave me a recommendation.

 

That recommendation happened to equate to Brannock - 1.  I did not give her my Brannock until after, to confirm.  She then confirmed.

 

YMMV

post #5249 of 6054

Funny, but my Brannock size is 10.5D and I wear a 10.5D Marlow.  As folks can see from my prior postings, the laces almost fully close.  I suspect I could fit into a 10D if I preferred a tighter fit and didn't mind a wider gap in the vamp, but I like the fit of the 10.5D.  I find the fit of the 10.5D Marlow to be similar to my AE 10.5D Leeds.  I really think some of the sizing issues that you read about in forums arises from the manufacturing variations.  My 10.5D black BB wingtips by Alden are narrower and longer than the same model in #8.  The black ones are comfortable but don't fit me quite as well as the #8 model.  Additionally, it seems that many think the Marlow is a 1/4 size too large or too small.  If you are in that camp, a small manufacturing variation can make a big difference in terms of comfort.  

post #5250 of 6054
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Originally Posted by BackInTheJox View Post


I feel like the major issue is with their C&J for US retailers (RL, BB) at least on the 325 last.

From what I can gather, they seem to be doing some weird half size conversion to go UK to US, even though it should traditionally be one full size.

So for example:

US 9D brannock = US 8.5D Marlow = 8E Pembroke

 

That's exactly what's going on. A couple folks here have confirmed this irregularity with C&J management.

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