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post #9991 of 31025
Thanks Newcomer,

Yes, I'm willing to consider all brands in this price range...except the Grand Seiko. Can't get past the mental block of paying that much for a Japanese watch.

I don't know much about Ulysse Nardin but I have seen some gorgeous Glasshute Original and JLC's pictured on this thread. I believe you have several?

I don't really want a diver...a double chronograph with black face and date would be perfect if it I could find one smaller than 44mm. I want something very elegant and timeless.

I really like these:

1) GO: Sixties Square Chronograph with black face and Seventies Panorama date with grey dial;
2) JLC: Master Chronograph but have only seen them with a silver dial.

How well do GO's and JLC's hold their value?

I failed to mention that I want a watch I can wear everyday.

I love these but I'm sure its out of my price range.


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Master Control Chronograph (ref. 1538420)
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I have no idea what model this is but it would be perfect!!
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Edited by Cuttingboard - 1/22/12 at 12:03pm
post #9992 of 31025
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Originally Posted by Cylon View Post

Ok now in all seriousness...

 

Regarding Dino944's watches: The Cartier is absolutely beautiful. I am in love with the open caseback. A new one was released at SIHH, do you know the differences between the two? The VC is also beautiful, and the caseback again is striking. Not sure if I like the corners on the case of the VC(for myself), but nevertheless they do not take away from the overall beauty of the watch.

 

Hi Cylon,

 

Thanks for the kind words about my CPCP Tank XL.  So far I have only heard a little about the new one released at SIHH.  It will be slightly larger, the movement is the same, but I'm not sure it will have an exhibition back.  So far photos also don't show any guilloche on the dial, although maybe the photos aren't so good yet.  Also, I don't think its production will be as limited as the Collection Privee pieces were.  A friend who moderates a watch forum, collects Cartier, and who was at SIHH last week told me the new Tank is nice but not quite as nice as the old Privee version (like mine).

 

As for the VC, its a modern version of a design VC did in the 1930s, but larger.  Although the lugs might not be your taste, its actually famous for those lugs and its probably a watch thats better appreciated in person.  When you see the watch in person, the lugs make it wear larger and they add to the "stepped" theme of the case and dial.  It goes upward from the lugs, to the case, the the crystal, then back downward into the dial where there are outlines are around the hour markers and then the subdial for seconds is sunken inward.  Its the type of watch that the more you wear it the more you notice small details that add to how well thought out the design is, and how much work went into its execution.  Still, no watch can be everything to everyone so I can understand if the design just doesn't appeal to you, but its a design I really love.

 

I have one other dress watch and its a VC, but I'll have to post it when I have more time.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

Thanks Newcomer,
Yes, I'm willing to consider all brands in this price range...except the Grand Seiko. Can't get past the mental block of paying that much for a Japanese watch.
I don't know much about Ulysse Nardin but I have seen some gorgeous Glasshute Original and JLC's pictured on this thread. I believe you have several?
I don't really want a diver...a double chronograph with black face and date would be perfect if it I could find one smaller than 44mm. I want something very elegant and timeless.
I really like these:
1) GO: Sixties Square Chronograph with black face and Seventies Panorama date with grey dial;
2) JLC: Master Chronograph but have only seen them with a silver dial.
How well do GO's and JLC's hold their value?
I failed to mention that I want a watch I can wear everyday.
I love these but I'm sure its out of my price range.

234
Master Control Chronograph (ref. 1538420)
263
I have no idea what model this is but it would be perfect!!
263


Some very nice choices.  I really like that JLC Master Control Chronograph, thats a beauty!  Obviously, you have to buy a brand and watch that you are happy with, both interms of functions and what appeals to you.  You have some good possible choices in the $5-7,000 range.  I can tell you if you tire of watches quickly and like to trade them, stay away from GO and JLC.  As nice as they are a friend of mine has a limited edition JLC Master Antoine 8 day reserve, 1 of 200 made in platinum.  When he wanted to trade/sell it to buy something else, one place told him they weren't interested in what they called "off brands" like JLC, GO, UN etc.  They really focus on buying Patek, Lange, Rolex as they said there is a distinct and strong used market for these brand, while JLC, GO, UN and others you have to wait and hope to find the right buyer.  It was a learning lesson for him.  In the end it worked out since he decided to keep his JLC, but its quite an eye opener when a place says there isn't much of a used market for fine watches like JLC.  It doesn't mean there isn't a used market for them, just that its much smaller and with a smaller audience you might not get as much of your money out of a watch or it might take longer to do so.  On the other hand discounts have always been greater on watches like JLC's than Rolex so that might be something to consider.
 

 

post #9994 of 31025
Try buying used, and make sure you really like it. Like Dino said, they're a bitch to sell or trade even on TZ/purist. I really like that MC chronograph, couple right now listed for 6200ish on TZ.
post #9995 of 31025
If I could find the first and third watch, I doubt very seriously that I would get rid of them. Unfortunately, I have no idea the model or reference number. In my research, I have found that there is great value in buying Rolex because they retain their value.
post #9996 of 31025
Hmmm, that certainly does make sense. If you do sell a JLC or GO, I guess the market isn't stellar. The first and third watch are, I believe, the somewhat-recently discontinued Master Date. They pop up fairly often, reference number: Q147842A. And I just have one JLC, alas, but I feel fairly committed to them over many other brands. My next several purchases will probably also be JLCs, as I still would like a MUT Moon, Reverso, and MUT RDM. But that will be several years from now, easy! Getting a Chronograph in your price range will be incredibly tricky though, especially one that is not some Valjoux variation. I still do love that Portuguese Automatic, even if it is based on a modified Valjoux 7750. From what I have heard, IWC does a crazy amount of variation.

Personally, I don't really buy for value retention. Sure, I guess there is something nice about being able to sell your watch for the same or more than you paid for it, but I don't really care to think like that. I generally buy something with the intention of never selling it. I will think about some other ideas, and try to get back to you CB.

And please, Dino, I want to see that other VC! They make some incredibly gorgeous watches.
post #9997 of 31025
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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

Can't get past the mental block of paying that much for a Japanese watch.


Seiko Credor Eichi
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By several people considered to be finished to a higher standard than Philippe Dufour's work... I'd buy one instantly if I found one for sale.

Let's put it this way - you can buy a watch to impress other people: buy a Rolex or Omega if you are surrounded by mostly middle-class aspirational types or a Patek or A. Lange if you are surrounded by bankers. Or you can buy a watch because you care about watches and the work that goes into them... And then there are a lot more possibilities (like GO or a bunch of independent makers).
post #9998 of 31025
1968, one owner, all original down to the insert...finally got one.

Regards.
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post #9999 of 31025
gdl203, Awesome thread as evidenced by the previous 9,999 posts.....this is the 10,000th one!
post #10000 of 31025
Congrats man, 1675 with faded Pepsi bezel is probably one of my favorite Rolex.

Edit : wow I missed out on the 10k post biggrin.gif
post #10001 of 31025
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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

As stated in previous post several weeks ago, I'm looking for a new watch that I can easily wear with a suit or jeans. I indicated that my budget was $7K and I did not want an Omega or Rolex. I did not want an Omega because I have a 1959 Seamaster and 1969 De Ville and Rolex because my boss has a new Submariner and the people I work with, Economists, don't value such items. They actually give me a hard time about spending $100 for a Sam Hober tie.
During my research, I have noticed that the best bang for your buck with regards to price, performance and resale value is Rolex. I pretty much had my mind set on buying an IWC but the only watches in my price range are the Pilots which uses an IWC-modified Valjoux Calibre 7750 and the resale value would not be that great. I was willing to increase my budget to afford a Portugese Automatic 7-Day but decided that I have other uses for $10K.
I have decided that a gently used Rolex is my best bet regarding price and resell value. I really like my watch to be 42mm or less, blue or black dial with arabic numbers all stainless steel. I really like the size and simplicity of the Explorer 1 and Oyster Perpetual with blue dial and I'm sure I will eventually buy a Submariner or 1977 GMT Master. How do you not?
The only place that I have found gently used Rolexes is Tourneau, anyone know if their prices are in-line with other dealers? I like the fact that they are certified pre-owned with a warranty and offer a service plan. Other suggestions and comments are welcome, thanks.

Tourneau asks top dollar for their used watches. I've purchased two mint watches from the timezone sales corner. Both deals were totally drama free.

Have you tried on an older Exp1? It's a small watch. I'd suggest a no date sub as a reasonably priced preowned option. Most people will never notice that it's a Rolex, since it has no cyclops.
post #10002 of 31025
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Personally, I don't really buy for value retention. Sure, I guess there is something nice about being able to sell your watch for the same or more than you paid for it, but I don't really care to think like that. I generally buy something with the intention of never selling it. I will think about some other ideas, and try to get back to you CB. And please, Dino, I want to see that other VC! They make some incredibly gorgeous watches.

Thanks for the JLC Master Date Reference No. I'm not buying with the intention of selling or trading either but it seems to be a recurring theme on the watch forums. It just gave me something else to think about.
post #10003 of 31025
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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

Thanks for the JLC Master Date Reference No. I'm not buying with the intention of selling or trading either but it seems to be a recurring theme on the watch forums. It just gave me something else to think about.

Yeah, I mean I definitely get it, but I think with such a large purchase it would be wise to go with your heart on this one. A watch is such a personal item! And for second hand definitely check out Timezone. I have not had anything but excellent experiences, and you can get some GREAT deals.

And in regards to the 10,000th post, I am really liking how this thread has quickly turned in to a discussion thread and a porn thread. I like that there is more discourse on watches on this forum now.
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Similar to Cuttingboard, I'm also looking for a new watch, and in the under 7.5K range (preferably around 5K). This will be my first "real" watch, and probably the only watch I'm going to wear for a long time.

 

So I've been trying to decide based on the balance of several criteria, in rough order of priority.

  • Aesthetics, of course.
  • Versatility -- Since this will be my only watch for a while, I want to be able to wear it in a lot of different situations; the classics "suits to jeans".
  • Durability -- Of course I'd prefer that it doesn't break. But this also includes resistance to scratches, can it take a little splashing around (definition TBD...), can I pass it on to my (as yet unborn) kids?

 

But anyways, on to the fun stuff, the candidates:

 

IWC Portuguese Chronograph 3714

 

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(Love the aesthetics, concerned about the durability.)

 

Rolex Submariner 14060M

 

Rolex Submariner 14060M

 

(I like the aesthetics slightly less, but definitely wins on the durability, and slightly better on the versatility front, I think.)

 

The other idea is to just give up completely on the versatility front, and go for the dressier watch that will get less wear, and with that, the need for durability becomes less, and then get some really nice in that space (like a JLC Ultra Thin, Ultra Moon, or Master Chronograph).

 

Thoughts?

post #10005 of 31025
IWC 3714 is by far one of my favorites
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