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Fake Name Brand Watches

I visited a professional watch repairman and wholesaler today. He has been in the business for 25 years. He showed me the most amazing fake Rolex. The weight was right and the gold had been plated with real gold to pass a metal test. He had a customer last week pay him $100 to verify a Panerai that he said turned out to be fake. His customer had bought it off Ebay. He said the fakes are getting so good that even experienced pawn shops and jewelers were getting faked. He said papers and certificates are also being faked. Watch out where you buy things...
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Fake Name Brand Watches

I visited a professional watch repairman and wholesaler today. He has been in the business for 25 years. He showed me the most amazing fake Rolex. The weight was right and the gold had been plated with real gold to pass a metal test. He had a customer last week pay him $100 to verify a Panerai that he said turned out to be fake. His customer had bought it off Ebay. He said the fakes are getting so good that even experienced pawn shops and jewelers were getting faked. He said papers and certificates are also being faked. Watch out where you buy things...
A story ADs love to hear........
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Originally Posted by pocketsquareguy View Post

Fake Name Brand Watches

I visited a professional watch repairman and wholesaler today. He has been in the business for 25 years. He showed me the most amazing fake Rolex. The weight was right and the gold had been plated with real gold to pass a metal test. He had a customer last week pay him $100 to verify a Panerai that he said turned out to be fake. His customer had bought it off Ebay. He said the fakes are getting so good that even experienced pawn shops and jewelers were getting faked. He said papers and certificates are also being faked. Watch out where you buy things...

Ill confirm that. Last week I had a guy come in with a Panerai to sell. Box, papers, warranty card from an AD, the whole shooting match. Could not have looked and felt more legit. Best fake I ever saw hands down. Thanks to DerekS, and some internet fu regarding the papers, I was able to turn the guy away. But holy crap they are making serous fakes these days.

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^^^ FAKE!

 

But seriously, Stitchy, that's insane.

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You know, funny enough, the quality of fakes is just going to push more and more people into brand boutiques.

That is just crazy.
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Wow, that is an incredibly good fake.

Stitch, what was it that told you it was a fake?
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Originally Posted by Patrick R View Post
 

I'm looking for a dress watch. My preferences are heavily skewed towards simple. The new Omega Trésor looks fantastic to me.

 

I am also a fan of smaller watches. My daily wear is a 34mm Rolex Air-King, but I suspect the diameter won't bother me because of the (relative) thinness. I will try on the watch before buying to make sure it's the appropriate size.

 

Question: What else do you like in this category, buying new, in the general price range (15k and below)?

 

If you think it looks fantastic then go for it.  I can't think of too many textured dialed dress watches.  Most seem to be understated.  I like the Cartier Tank which looks fantastic in yellow or rose gold with a leather strap or JLC may have something, though I can't think of any of their watches with textured dials.  

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Dino, I am actually rocking my Jumbo right now! Loving it as you told me I would. So glad I went with my gut (and your advice) and traded in went with this over the 15400.

Also, Dino, I just moved back to NYC for a new job, which I may be commemorating with a non-Dino approved watch. Even though it doesn't get your stamp of approval, I am excited by the prospect and if all goes well, I should pull the trigger by the end of the month. I will definitely share if it happens (even if I incur Dino's friendly wrath).

Glad to hear you are enjoying your Jumbo...looks fantastic!  Congrats on the new job and your move to NYC.  Wishing you lots of luck and fun with both.  Also, even if a watch is not so called "Dino Approved" I'm always happy when my friends acquire something that makes them smile, so I wish you lots of luck with your next watch purchase.  :cheers:

 

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Omega should MSRP between 13-15k.

 

Sorry, I'd never spend that kind of money on basic 3 handed Omega.  At that kind of money there are watches that are far finer in terms of workmanship and finish...if new I'd consider JLC or Piaget, if pre-owned there may be some VCs or APs that will fall into your price range.   I just don't see much demand for the Omega you are considering and I think you will take a bath on it if you ever tire of it and want to sell or trade it.   Good luck with whatever you decide. 

 

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I cant imagine spending that kind of change on a simple 3 handed Omega. Ymmv.

Spot on my man!!! :fistbump:

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Originally Posted by Patrick R View Post
 

 

Omega should MSRP between 13-15k.

 

Sorry, I'd never spend that kind of money on basic 3 handed Omega.  At that kind of money there are watches that are far finer in terms of workmanship and finish...if new I'd consider JLC or Piaget, if pre-owned there may be some VCs or APs that will fall into your price range.   I just don't see much demand for the Omega you are considering and I think you will take a bath on it if you ever tire of it and want to sell or trade it.   Good luck with whatever you decide. 

 

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I cant imagine spending that kind of change on a simple 3 handed Omega. Ymmv.

Spot on my man!!! :fistbump:

 

Thanks guys. That's the input I wanted.

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Sometimes you buy things that aren't important or aren't the best value just because you like them.
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

^^^ FAKE!
But seriously, Stitchy, that's insane.

Absurd.
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You know, funny enough, the quality of fakes is just going to push more and more people into brand boutiques.
That is just crazy.

I would have to agree. Or at least to ADs and sellers that are truly trusted. I think for a lot of people it will really cut down on online purchasing (which will suck for me as a seller) and buying second hand frm smaller operations.
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Wow, that is an incredibly good fake.
Stitch, what was it that told you it was a fake?

Best fake I have handled to date. There was a Rolex that was a close second, but the date wheel did not spin quite right and there was no box or papers.

Well, for starters, DerekS told me that the cannon pin (the one that goes through the stack of hands in the middle of the watch) should be a hump at the top of the pile, and on this watch, you can see that that pin is inverted, and sits below the top hand. A quick image search showed that the real ones indeed have a hump.

On top of that, I found a very handy post on a Malaysian watch forum that detailed exactly how the case, serial, and movement, numbers, match up and are referenced one to the other between the various papers and cards and the watch back, and these were off a little. The movement number from the COSC paper was not referenced anywhere else, and the serial number was not shown on the stickers, they only had the caseback number and barcode.

The last thing was that I called the AD on the card, and they are no longer a Panerai AD. Could be nothing, as he could have bought the watch when they were ADs, as they were ADs as of the date on the warranty card, but it didnt feel right.

Its all very nuanced, and had I not been on the lookout and had the customer himself not given me pause, I easily could have been fooled.

One thing I do is to always ask an outside source first, in this case, Derek. When you have the customer and the watch in front of you, its easy to get blinded by the romance of the watch and ignore red flags. You need to have another set of eyes to keep you on the ball, imho.

Thanks, @DerekS !
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Spot on my man!!! fistbump.gif

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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Sometimes you buy things that aren't important or aren't the best value just because you like them.

I would heartily agree with this. if someone is truly in love with that Omega, and it appeals to him aesthetically more than any other comp, he should buy what he likes, not what he feels is more appropriate for the price point. Personally, I like the AP JA more, and I just couldn't feel good about spending 5 digits on a plain gold three handed Omega, but thats just me.
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And somewhere out there a fake Panerai manufacturer is taking notes

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Sadly, I am sure that is true. They are only going to get better. There are entire forums dedicated to making replicas as good as possible. Some of them even use ETA movements from what I hear.

Now, ostensibly these are just hobbyists that enjoy the challenge of replicating watches, and maybe for some that is true, but there are just as many people out there, if not more, doing this to cheat buyers.
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Thanks guys. That's the input I wanted.


FWIW, you won't be paying anywhere near MSRP for the Omega. That said, if you can comfortably look at watches up to $15K, I'd look elsewhere as well. I'm not a Piaget guy though, I don't like dinner plates.

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