Originally Posted by mimo
Hahaha. The Kraaken wakes!
Dino, I love you man. You and certain others might be in the process of ruining my life, but I've had so much education from this thread over the last couple of years, it might just be worth it.
Mimo my dear friend, you always crack me up! As always thank you for the laughs and the rather thought provoking response. I really enjoyed reading your analysis on the L1 and Pano.
Just so you and the other "Usual suspects"
are clear about my opinion of GO, I think they make very good products which are generally a good value. I would consider buying some form of Senator or other watch model from them. However, I couldn't buy a Pano, because to me its too derivative/imitator and I would always be looking and thinking its an L1 substitute. I'm just not someone who is satisfied by substitutes, it's just how I'm wired. When I want something I want it and nothing will take its place. There are things I may really want and can't afford and those things I am happy to admire from afar, as I'm an all or nothing kind of guy.
I get it that a Pano in steel is a great value. If that satisfies the urge for something of quality from Germany for others, that's cool and I understand. Cheers!
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One could say that the Patek Nautilus was overly derivative of the Royal Oak--if those watches both came out right now, I kind of feel we would be having a similar discussion. We would be saying "oh, the Royal Oak coined the luxury sportswatch category, it has the crazy integrated bracelet, etc." But over the last forty some odd years, both have become modern classics.
Hi Nuke, IMHO while the RO and Nautilus concept is the the same, and the RO is the forerunner of that genre of watches, they are different enough that the Nautilus doesn't look like an imitator or derivative. If you want to see derivatives/copy cats, look at the original GP Laureato ( it looks like a RO & Nautius's bizarre offspring), or an Hublot.
Originally Posted by alpyigit
This is similar to Boxster and 911 dilemma. While 911 is the real thing, I believe Boxster is a better drive and would be a legend on its own if not overshadowed by its older brother. (yes, had/have both as well)
As a fellow sports car fan, and Porsche owner who has driven air cooled and water cooled Porsches over the years, your comparison is interesting, but their are more differences than similarities when comparing cars to watches. While Boxsters & Caymans are less expensive than 911s, they can easily be optioned out so they cost more than a base 911.
In addition, I've seen on Porsche forums a slow but steady migration from 996s & 997s , 997S's , 997C4s's and early 997GT3s to 981 Boxsters & Caymans. It's no longer just price, it's because they are that good. The 991 & 997s are nice but have gotten larger, heavier and moved closer to a GT car unless one goes with a 997 GT3 RS 4.0. Short of that, get a 997 or 991 on the road and they are really nice, but the latest generation 981, is more nimble, lighter, closer in size to earlier 911s, and overall more fun to drive.
Sports cars involve issues like cornering, acceleration, grip, and fun to drive factors that can go beyond which design came first. In addition, the current 911 is so drastically different from the originals that one could say its a derivative or caricature of itself. The "911" has 50 years of history & its shape is iconic ... but if someone really has their heart set on a 911, I'd suggest they get a quirky, air cooled car, and experience what really built the 911's reputation....that is something no modern Porsche can give a car owner, and because of emissions/environmental regulations we will never see cars like that again in the future.
Sorry gents, now back to our regularly scheduled program.
As mentioned, I like some GOs, and they make a great product, but the Pano isn't for me.