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post #34231 of 37146
It is very simple in my opinion. If someone makes an offer, and you explicitly accept it, you are a total ass if you go ahead and take a higher offer from someone else after the fact. If you can't keep your word, you suck.

If the offer was a maybe, and you told the person you would give them x amount time. Keep your word.

If you want to allow for higher offers, you have to make sure you potential buyer knows that until payment is issued, there are no guarantees. At that point, its the buyers fault if he delays.

Why is simple decency and honesty so hard for some people?
post #34232 of 37146
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

It is very simple in my opinion. If someone makes an offer, and you explicitly accept it, you are a total ass if you go ahead and take a higher offer from someone else after the fact. If you can't keep your word, you suck.

If the offer was a maybe, and you told the person you would give them x amount time. Keep your word.

If you want to allow for higher offers, you have to make sure you potential buyer knows that until payment is issued, there are no guarantees. At that point, its the buyers fault if he delays.

Why is simple decency and honesty so hard for some people?

 

That is the idea; that until money changes hands, the item is up for sale. Ive never refunded someone through paypal because another offer came through during the transaction process. The second I receive payment, I take listings down. But once or twice a bigger offer came right after confirming a smaller one, and the other party was understanding and said they didnt want to match it.

 
I dont think I am a piece of shit, but I suppose thats what most supposed pieces of shit would say about themselves. When it happens to me, I dont really think twice about it, but I can see how in the world of high value/unique/exclusive items, when the desire for acquisition extends way beyond simply getting a cool thing at a good price, feelings would flare much more. Thats not a realm I have experience in.
 
Its not my intention to create ill will or pull the rug out from anyone. To me, its the real world equivalent of having someone come up to a bargaining session at a flea market and offer a greater price for the item in question. The first customer might find the situation awkward, but its still the sellers item and they is free to engage all offers until money changes hands. People do this when they are selling their house and cars fairly often.

Edited by DerangedGoose - 8/2/14 at 10:44pm
post #34233 of 37146
If you confirm an offer, the right thing to do is, to not take other offers unless you make it clear in your offer acceptance that until payment is made, the acceptance is not complete. If you made that clear, its still fair game.

But if you tell someone that you accept an offer, and thats all you say, that implies the deal is done. At that point, if you get a better offer, you just have to suck it up. Or be dishonest. Reputations are built and crumbled in things like this.
post #34234 of 37146

I look at it the same way Ebay sellers do when they require instant payment for a "buy it now" option -- you cant just "buy" it to hold it for yourself. My paypal address is provided; if people lag days on payment and a better offer comes in, I let them know and ask them to match it. Perhaps I should be more explicit when I say payment is expected immediately, but I dont think its indicative of a dishonest nature.

post #34235 of 37146
Well, eBay is its own animal, but if you list a BIN and someone does the BIN, thats that. They may pay in 5 min or 2 days, but unless the listing states that payment is required immediately or the BIN is not valid, you have to suck it up, and Im not even sure eBay allows that.

We could go through every situation but I think we all know in our hearts when we are being honest and when are being plain greedy.

As the saying goes, pigs get slaughtered.

Also, clear communication of intent is key. If you have that, and you keep to what you outline, you will generally find yourself in the right.
post #34236 of 37146
We blacklist people who accept job offers and don't show up for whatever reason (including taking a new offer/counter offer).

I tend to agree with stitches here. Other forums have rules where first person to publicly post "I'll take it" is obligated to buy and the seller is obligated to sell. Shrug.
post #34237 of 37146
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post #34238 of 37146
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Frills, now that was a watchgasmic collection. The lunch pic, not the scantily clad femme.

It was a fun lunch gathering!
post #34239 of 37146
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I look at it the same way Ebay sellers do when they require instant payment for a "buy it now" option -- you cant just "buy" it to hold it for yourself. My paypal address is provided; if people lag days on payment and a better offer comes in, I let them know and ask them to match it. Perhaps I should be more explicit when I say payment is expected immediately, but I dont think its indicative of a dishonest nature.

 

I think if you take a better offer after closing then you need to accept the fact that you've created ill will as a seller. A close is a close.

 

My own practice has been to require immediate payment on BIN, and payment within 5 bizdays on winning auction bids. If on a forum buy someone asks for time to make a transfer, I'll honor it so long as the time is reasonable. If those conditions aren't met then I feel free to reoffer, either to the next highest bidder, or to a late offer, or I relist. 

post #34240 of 37146
Just weighing in on the recent discussion. I guess I echo what Stitchy said. The offeror is the master of his offer. In other words, the offeror may specify in detail as to what behavior he requires from the offeree to accept his offer.

If the offeror states, I will sell x to you for $100, and the offeree accepts that offer, the deal has concluded. If the offeror states that the deal is revocable, or if he states that the acceptance must be received in writing, or that acceptance is contingent upon payment, ALL OF THESE are modifications to the basic principle. DG--no offense, but if you offer something to someone for $1,000, and that person accepts, the deal is complete. If someone comes in ten minutes later, and offers $1,200, you cannot backtrack. Offer + acceptance = complete. Money does not have to change hands.

Now, a minor exception. If the offeror owns a Paul Newman Daytona, and offers it for $500 (clearly unaware of the price), I give that person a pass. That person is ignorant of the value, and I really do not think it is overly fair to take advantage of that person.

Although I have to say, DG, I do respect your candor.
post #34241 of 37146
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If you had the choice between the SD4000 and the Daytona (modern), which way would you lean? I still have to read the details of your response, but their is a strong urge to own two iconic Chronos.

And I wanted to add, while I don't share every aesthetic preference you do, the you and Belli share your opinions I take another very deep look at my perspective. The watch and design knowledge between the two of you is extremely humbling and helpful. Cheers to the both of you!

each is quality
and enough to satisfy
without excuses


details to follow
post #34242 of 37146
100% with Stichy here
post #34243 of 37146
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post #34245 of 37146
Two things I like, watches and golf.

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