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Get it back!!!  I really like my current 116520,....but I LOVE my 16520.  

 

Dino, would you mind expanding on this for me (specifics as to why)? Would love to hear your perspective on it.

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I'm not sure I agree with Cage's character in Gone in 60 Seconds...but perhaps this brief clip explains in a humorous way the perception some have of vintage vs new (while this involves cars, perhaps it applies to watches also). 

 

All fair comment, and like I said, I get it intellectually.  But I guess the difference with watches is that they're not so well known among people who don't love watches.  Most people know what a Rolex looks like, and what a Ferrari looks like.  But they're more likely to recognise which of the latter are old and rare, even if they don't know much about them.  Funny thing about watches versus cars though: it seems that a cheap watch might end up being collectible just by virtue of an unusual colour or short production run.  With cars, there's more likely to be a fine line between "vintage" and "piece of shit". :)

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TWATers what's your opinion on Jean Ricard watches? I saw one today that I liked. lol8[1].gif
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All fair comment, and like I said, I get it intellectually.  But I guess the difference with watches is that they're not so well known among people who don't love watches.  Most people know what a Rolex looks like, and what a Ferrari looks like.  But they're more likely to recognise which of the latter are old and rare, even if they don't know much about them.  Funny thing about watches versus cars though: it seems that a cheap watch might end up being collectible just by virtue of an unusual colour or short production run.  With cars, there's more likely to be a fine line between "vintage" and "piece of shit". :)

Hi Mimo,

 

If new is your thing, no worries.  I get it, and there are lots of great new watches in the market place.

 

As for the the comparison of the above, I'm afraid we'll have to disagree on some points.  As for most people being able to determine which of the latter are old and rare...In my experience, not really.  People can often tell old, but not rare.  Just because something is old, doesn't mean its rare.  Sure average people can look at a Ford Model T and tell its really old, or that a Corvette or Ferrari are from a certain decade (as that is what they looked like when those people were growing up)...however most have no idea which are truly rare and collectible.  I've been around cars a long time, I've been to car shows and heard self proclaimed car people make all sorts of comments about vehicles that were not even remotely accurate.  Cars can look a lot a like to many people, but having slightly different body work or a different engine, can make all the difference between a nice old $25,000 car and something special that's well into 6 figures...a prime example would be a Porsche 911SC with front and rear spoilers vs. a 1975 930 Turbo Carrera...to the uneducated they look about the same...but the rarity, performance and value couldn't be more different. 

 

In addition, I don't see cheap watches become very collectible/valuable.  Just because something was made for a short period of time in an unusual color doesn't mean it will become collectible or sought after. 

 

Short production runs and unusual color combinations can make a watch or car more valuable, but generally only if its from a brand that people truly value (and they often started out being relatively pricey).  I've mentioned it before, I know of a 2nd hand dealer who only buys "Top tier brands"..he said his clients aren't interested in anything else.  A friend tried to sell him a beautiful nearly new platinum limited edition (1 of 200) JLC, and the dealer said no thanks its not truly collectible and his clients wouldn't be interested,(I thought it was a stunning watch).  This dealer will buy Pateks and Langes, even if they are basic models and a few thousand were made, but he wouldn't touch a JLC of which only 200 exist. 

 

As for cars, there isn't really a fine line between vintage and junk.  Junk is junk, whether its new or vintage.


Edited by Dino944 - 7/31/14 at 6:38am
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Dino, would you mind expanding on this for me (specifics as to why)? Would love to hear your perspective on it.

I'll try to reply to that tomorrow, when I have more time.  Cheers.  

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 This dealer will be Pateks and Langes, even if they are basic models and a few thousand were made, but he wouldn't touch a JLC of which only 200 exist. 

that was a great post, but the above made me sad in my heart.
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I'll try to reply to that tomorrow, when I have more time.  Cheers.  

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All fair comment, and like I said, I get it intellectually.  But I guess the difference with watches is that they're not so well known among people who don't love watches.  Most people know what a Rolex looks like, and what a Ferrari looks like.  But they're more likely to recognise which of the latter are old and rare, even if they don't know much about them.  Funny thing about watches versus cars though: it seems that a cheap watch might end up being collectible just by virtue of an unusual colour or short production run.  With cars, there's more likely to be a fine line between "vintage" and "piece of shit". smile.gif
Hi Mimo,

If new is your thing, no worries.  I get it, and there are lots of great new watches in the market place.

As for the the comparison of the above, I'm afraid we'll have to disagree on some points.  As for most people being able to determine which of the latter are old and rare...In my experience, not really.  People can often tell old, but not rare.  Just because something is old, doesn't mean its rare.  Sure average people can look at a Ford Model T and tell its really old, or that a Corvette or Ferrari are from a certain decade (as that is what they looked like when those people were growing up)...however most have no idea which are truly rare and collectible.  I've been around cars a long time, I've been to and heard self proclaimed car people make all sorts of comments about vehicles that were not even remotely accurate.  Cars can look a lot a like to many people, but having slightly different body work or a different engine, can make all the difference between a nice old $25,000 car and something special that's well into 6 figures...a prime example would be a Porsche 911SC with front and rear spoilers vs. a 1975 930 Turbo Carrera...to the uneducated they look about the same...but the rarity, performance and value couldn't be more different. 

As for cars, there isn't really a fine line between vintage and junk.  Junk is junk, whether its new or vintage.

I think you both have a point Rolex and Porsche are very similar in that you could say their designers are lazy. The man in the street could hardly tell the difference between 50 years of 911s (slight exaggeration) just as he or she would have as much difficulty distinguishing between 50 years of Datejusts. Lamborghini are similar since the Countach I have difficulty telling them apart,

But there are makes and I would count Ferrari as one where there models have changed over the years but as Dino says old does not necessarily mean rare or expensive, though by most manufacturers standards all Ferraris are rare.

Where Mimo is right is that most ordinary people have no idea what watch has any value, to the person uninterested in watches Rolex is the best and they may have seen some adverts for that Patek brand.
Edited by culverwood - 7/31/14 at 5:56am
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Thanks guys biggrin.gif AP and raspberries for breakfast ...

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I currently have a Panerai 312 and a Tudor Pelagos. Getting a little bored and doing some research into possibly trading up for something else. I generally don't need to wear suits often so am not looking for a pure dress watch. Any suggestions?
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As for cars, there isn't really a fine line between vintage and junk.  Junk is junk, whether its new or vintage.

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Where Mimo is right is that most ordinary people have no idea what watch has any value, to the person uninterested in watches Rolex is the best and the may have seen some adverts for that Patek brand.

 

Yes.  What I meant was the fine distinctions with cars as Dino said between two very similar-looking Porsches, but that it still had to be a Porsche.  Whereas fifty years ago, Rolex was a relative Toyota, yet the rarity of a certain model and its developed brand strength since, have made productions oddities into priceless artifacts.  

 

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I currently have a Panerai 312 and a Tudor Pelagos. Getting a little bored and doing some research into possibly trading up for something else. I generally don't need to wear suits often so am not looking for a pure dress watch. Any suggestions?

 

Yeah, about eight hundred of them.  Give us an idea of things you've liked the look of, and a budget, and maybe we can find a place to start!  But as a shot in the dark, if you're trading those two watches and going upwards, while wanting something that's not quite a pure dress watch, a nearly-new 15300 Royal Oak would be an interesting place to start, or the 25860ST (chronograph).  About $12-13k?  Or if it has to be new and/or bigger is better, I believe you can find the 15400 for somewhere around that.  You're in terrible trouble now.

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