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Originally Posted by Concordia View Post

Margin of safety. I just had to have another watch with similar specs repaired because I went snorkeling with it last winter. After replacing the gaskets.
Regrets about the flooded watch; that sucks pretty bad.

Still, there's no added margin of safety to be had from a higher pressure rating at swimming/snorkeling depths. The watch leaks or it doesn't; a thicker crystal and case won't help the soft seals hold one bit. I've been using a 50-m rated Rolex from the '70s in the sea regularly, just as it was designed to do, without any issues. I'd have no hesitation with using a modern Milgauss to its full rated depth, aside from being a wimp who wouldn't want to go that deep under water even if paid to do so.

Anyway, when Rolex states a depth rating, they mean it. They've built their reputation on keeping water out of the case; 100 m is more than enough for anyone but a commercial saturation diver. It would likely even suffice for that; they're known to hugely underrate their pressure resistance.
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Not a very fancy watch, but I like it a lot, plus I think it looks really great on this strap. Quite hard to find suede straps, probably because people don't like the way it ages (I guess?). Had this one for a few weeks now, we'll see how it goes.

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Originally Posted by DerangedGoose View Post

Ive heard the Milgauss is really heavy, on account of the Faraday cage? Or is it just a little heavier than a standard sub on a bracelet?

It did feel quite heavy on the wrist to me when I tried it. I have a Sinn which also has a Faraday cage and the Rolex felt heavier.

I love the look of the Milgauss GV apart from the shiny bracelet. I am tempted though to get one and switch to an orange rubber or green Nato strap.
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Thanks for the Milgauss love, gents. Now I need to find a buyer.

Also, I always liked the Milgauss, but after some personal time with one, now I love it.
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Stitchy as a professional watch buyer, any views on the RO question?

 

(And where the heck is @Dino944 when his public needs him?)

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Originally Posted by marvin100 View Post

 

(oh, and that's a superbly crafted cranefly! Wear it in good health!)

 

Thanks to you I have felt some regret in reacting with violence to what I thought was a big a** Kaiju mosquito about to suck me dry (and not in a good way).  I believe it is indeed a crane fly, which in adult form rarely even eats but only emerges to mate.  So I just reacted with violence to what appears was simply a curious little insect.

 

Still, since it is not an endangered species (unlike bees), I still believe that it was optimal for me to have reacted with lethal force first and then confirmed a lack of threat via your post and entomology research later.

 

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Originally Posted by DerangedGoose View Post
 

Ive heard the Milgauss is really heavy, on account of the Faraday cage? Or is it just a little heavier than a standard sub on a bracelet?

 

If this Rolex weight chart is to be believed, then yes, the Milgauss ranks pretty high when it comes to heaviness, at least in the Rolex line-up:

 

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Submariner marginally heavier than Submariner date.  Surprising.  Yet somehow confirming that it is, in fact, just better.

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Submariner marginally heavier than Submariner date.  Surprising.  Yet somehow confirming that it is, in fact, just better.
16610 Sub date looks to be the heaviest of the subs on that chart.
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

Right then, a challenge for you proper nerds: simply, is this a fake?

 

 

I was shown this the other day, and something smelt off right from the beginning.  Firstly, whichever angle I looked at it, the dial didn't seem to be sitting vertically.  Still doesn't here.  Secondly, the finish on the bracelet and case just wasn't as "sharp" as I feel on any other RO.  I could put it down to its being used, but it didn't seem right.  And now I've compared this pic to several others on sale, there are a couple of other things: the nuts in the bezel don't look right - not flat or precise enough.  Also, although I've seen versions with and without the numbered minute markers, those with also seem to have a black border around the date window, and those without, not.  This is half and half.  And most of all, it has a solid caseback when I thought that was just the chronos, and it felt a touch light.

 

Sorry it's just one poor pic, but I have faith in you. Educate me, AP masters.  Is this a naughty fake?  If so, I might be about to cause some trouble...

First, its really tough to tell from just a photograph, on what could be an older model.  My first guess would have been a 14790, but there are also some odd models out there from years ago that might not come to mind.  Sure its possible that its a fake.  However, the other issue about the screws or the edges not being sharp enough, is plenty of these older less desirable models led a rough life and were serviced by hacks who refinished them poorly.  The RO was not always as admired or sought after as it is today and the price of having AP service and refinish it was quite costly even 10-20 years ago.  Many 2nd or 3rd buyers bought them when their values bottomed out without realizing what it cost to maintain one of these, and then got them serviced or refinished on the cheap!  This one is not as half as bad as some I've seen, which were truly butchered with nearly round bezels, hex bolts with slots facing the wrong direction and poorly polished, and very softened case edges, which should have been crisp bevels.  Sure it can be sent to AP and refinished, but once the damage has been done, sometimes there are limits to what they can do to to restore its crisp finish and properly polished hex bolts (unless someone wants to replace the bolts, bezel, etc).  

 

As for the closed case backs, most ROs had solid steel closed cased backs until recently.  The even the original Jumbos of the 1970s and 1980s all had closed case backs.  I believe the Jumbo Jubilee model around 1992 was one of the first ROs to have an open case back, unless you went with a skeletonized RO.   Then eventually all Jumbos got the open case back, and then eventually the 15300 was released and that came with an open case back.  However, models with movements that continued to use a JLC base such as the RO Dual Time and the Calendar Day-Date RO still had closed backs when they went out of production this year.

 

Regarding the weight, RO's felt considerable lighter in years past than they do today.  The 2011 15202 Jumbo and all early models feel a bit lighter than the 2012 Jumbo because the bracelets on the new/current jumbos are I believe 1 mm thicker than on the old watches.  In addition, if you have tried on a 15300 or 15400 those have significantly thicker cases than the old models and their bracelets are several mm's thicker than on ROs of the past.  

 

I'm not saying the one you tried on is real or that it isn't.  Simply, that there have been a variety of changes over the years that cause old ROs feel quite different from modern ROs.  

Cheers!:cheers: 

 

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Originally Posted by DerangedGoose View Post
 

Im probably one of the few who feels this way, but I love the GV Milgauss and the new blue dial / GV combo is really vibrant, to me. Id pick one of these up before I went for a DJ or an Explorer:

 

I love watches with blue dials, but the green crystal with blue dial wasn't my favorite when it was released.  This one has grown on me, but my favorite is still the Black dial with green crystal.  In general after seeing several current model,  I just find there are far too many polished surfaces for my liking on this so called "Professional model."  I think it should at least have brushed lugs.  I know that's a small issue, and some people would take it to a jeweler and have that done, but I only want pieces in their original state.  

 

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Originally Posted by DerangedGoose View Post
 

Ive heard the Milgauss is really heavy, on account of the Faraday cage? Or is it just a little heavier than a standard sub on a bracelet?

Not really.  If you've worn other modern Rolex watches it doesn't feel very different in terms of weight.  I think if you were coming from an old DJ that was on an non SEL bracelet with hollow center links yes its going to feel much heavier than that.  However next to a current Explorer, Sub, or DJ, its not really a big deal.  The Rolex watch that felt noticeably heavier to me is the Deep Sea-Sea Dweller, although some of it is the Deep Sea feels quite top heavy to me.  

 

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Pardon my French but motherf*cker:

I tried to preserve its dimensions after crushing it, and laid it out over my SubC ND:

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WTF.

Damn man!!! It looks like something that was going to battle Mothra or Godzilla!!!!

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

Stitchy as a professional watch buyer, any views on the RO question?

 

(And where the heck is @Dino944 when his public needs him?)

Sorry my friend.  I was trying to get a better look at the photo you posted and compare to other models before posting.  I can't be sure if the one you tried is real or not, but I did address some of your concerns about weight, case backs, finish, etc.

 

 

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

If this Rolex weight chart is to be believed, then yes, the Milgauss ranks pretty high when it comes to heaviness, at least in the Rolex line-up:

 

 

I think the one thing that needs to be kept in mind when comparing the weights, is that several watches listed, are older models which have the hollow bracelets such as the Ex2 16570, Daytona 16520, 16710 GMTII.  Once you see the weight of a ceramic GMT 116710 or a 116520 Daytona (both with solid bracelets, the weight is not that different among most SS modern steel Rolex watches. 
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Stitchy as a professional watch buyer, any views on the RO question?

which question would that be?
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I love watches with blue dials, but the green crystal with blue dial wasn't my favorite when it was released.  This one has grown on me, but my favorite is still the Black dial with green crystal.  In general after seeing several current model,  I just find there are far too many polished surfaces for my liking on this so called "Professional model."  I think it should at least have brushed lugs.  I know that's a small issue, and some people would take it to a jeweler and have that done, but I only want pieces in their original state.  

1. i love the blue/green most, but obviously stylistic points will vary by taste.

2. i guess technically the milgauss is a professional watch, but to me, its really not. it doesnt look like one at all, it just has extra magnetic protection, which is useful in plenty of scenarios that are not particularly sporty. to that end, i think the brush/polish ratio is A-Ok!

3. agreed 100% i do not ever want to alter the factory finish.
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Frilly approved Milgauss?  

 

 

But I think the Milgauss would look good on a brown leather strap....The Google is not helping find good pictures of this.

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I know I post my Daytona a few times already but one more angle shot happy.gif

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

3. agreed 100% i do not ever want to alter the factory finish.

 

This is an old thread, but a friend of mine actually hated the thick lugs of the new GMTIIc so much that he took it to a trusted jeweler/watch service person and put it through, well, lug liposuction:

 

http://www.philippinewatchclub.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7401

 

Pic of the lug-liposuctioned GMTIIc in the middle, with an untouched GMTIIc on the left, and an older SD on the right:

 

 

Of course the RSC in NYC actually did kind of call him out on what appeared to them to be a "suspect Rolex," but that is a topic for another time....... 

 

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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post
 

Frilly approved Milgauss?  

 

I'm a fan of color, and the orange strap picks up the orange in the markers.  

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

2. i guess technically the milgauss is a professional watch, but to me, its really not. it doesnt look like one at all, it just has extra magnetic protection, which is useful in plenty of scenarios that are not particularly sporty. to that end, i think the brush/polish ratio is A-Ok!

 

I don't personally find it a "Professional watch" in the way that say their Sub/SD, Exs, GMTs, etc are, which look drastically different from a DJ.  However, I suppose they considered it that way because it was built with a specific purpose to be worn by people in work environments that have stronger than usual magnetic fields.  So it fits the theme of being for a particular purpose (much like the original Subs, Explorer 2s, GMTs etc.  I have an old catalog from the 1970s, and even back then the now vintage ref 1019 was marketed as a Professional Model and was sharing a page with GMTs and I believe manual wind Daytonas.   

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