Originally Posted by mimo
Right then, a challenge for you proper nerds: simply, is this a fake?
I was shown this the other day, and something smelt off right from the beginning. Firstly, whichever angle I looked at it, the dial didn't seem to be sitting vertically. Still doesn't here. Secondly, the finish on the bracelet and case just wasn't as "sharp" as I feel on any other RO. I could put it down to its being used, but it didn't seem right. And now I've compared this pic to several others on sale, there are a couple of other things: the nuts in the bezel don't look right - not flat or precise enough. Also, although I've seen versions with and without the numbered minute markers, those with also seem to have a black border around the date window, and those without, not. This is half and half. And most of all, it has a solid caseback when I thought that was just the chronos, and it felt a touch light.
Sorry it's just one poor pic, but I have faith in you. Educate me, AP masters. Is this a naughty fake? If so, I might be about to cause some trouble...
First, its really tough to tell from just a photograph, on what could be an older model. My first guess would have been a 14790, but there are also some odd models out there from years ago that might not come to mind. Sure its possible that its a fake. However, the other issue about the screws or the edges not being sharp enough, is plenty of these older less desirable models led a rough life and were serviced by hacks who refinished them poorly. The RO was not always as admired or sought after as it is today and the price of having AP service and refinish it was quite costly even 10-20 years ago. Many 2nd or 3rd buyers bought them when their values bottomed out without realizing what it cost to maintain one of these, and then got them serviced or refinished on the cheap! This one is not as half as bad as some I've seen, which were truly butchered with nearly round bezels, hex bolts with slots facing the wrong direction and poorly polished, and very softened case edges, which should have been crisp bevels. Sure it can be sent to AP and refinished, but once the damage has been done, sometimes there are limits to what they can do to to restore its crisp finish and properly polished hex bolts (unless someone wants to replace the bolts, bezel, etc).
As for the closed case backs, most ROs had solid steel closed cased backs until recently. The even the original Jumbos of the 1970s and 1980s all had closed case backs. I believe the Jumbo Jubilee model around 1992 was one of the first ROs to have an open case back, unless you went with a skeletonized RO. Then eventually all Jumbos got the open case back, and then eventually the 15300 was released and that came with an open case back. However, models with movements that continued to use a JLC base such as the RO Dual Time and the Calendar Day-Date RO still had closed backs when they went out of production this year.
Regarding the weight, RO's felt considerable lighter in years past than they do today. The 2011 15202 Jumbo and all early models feel a bit lighter than the 2012 Jumbo because the bracelets on the new/current jumbos are I believe 1 mm thicker than on the old watches. In addition, if you have tried on a 15300 or 15400 those have significantly thicker cases than the old models and their bracelets are several mm's thicker than on ROs of the past.
I'm not saying the one you tried on is real or that it isn't. Simply, that there have been a variety of changes over the years that cause old ROs feel quite different from modern ROs.
Originally Posted by DerangedGoose
Im probably one of the few who feels this way, but I love the GV Milgauss and the new blue dial / GV combo is really vibrant, to me. Id pick one of these up before I went for a DJ or an Explorer:
I love watches with blue dials, but the green crystal with blue dial wasn't my favorite when it was released. This one has grown on me, but my favorite is still the Black dial with green crystal. In general after seeing several current model, I just find there are far too many polished surfaces for my liking on this so called "Professional model." I think it should at least have brushed lugs. I know that's a small issue, and some people would take it to a jeweler and have that done, but I only want pieces in their original state.
Originally Posted by DerangedGoose
Ive heard the Milgauss is really heavy, on account of the Faraday cage? Or is it just a little heavier than a standard sub on a bracelet?
Not really. If you've worn other modern Rolex watches it doesn't feel very different in terms of weight. I think if you were coming from an old DJ that was on an non SEL bracelet with hollow center links yes its going to feel much heavier than that. However next to a current Explorer, Sub, or DJ, its not really a big deal. The Rolex watch that felt noticeably heavier to me is the Deep Sea-Sea Dweller, although some of it is the Deep Sea feels quite top heavy to me.
Originally Posted by no frills
Pardon my French but motherf*cker:
I tried to preserve its dimensions after crushing it, and laid it out over my SubC ND:
Damn man!!! It looks like something that was going to battle Mothra or Godzilla!!!!