Since I am in my "OMG I LOVE SUBS!" phase I tried on the ref 116619LB - all white gold blue cerachrom bezel, blue dial Submariner:
(You can really see how much I use my Nautilus in this pic hahaha)
There are a few things that make me think twice about a WG Sub. First, the PCLs will make it a bit of a scratch magnet (which is okay with me, but I would prefer a brushed finish for a watch I think of as a "tool watch"). But that can easily be changed by a competent jeweler.
More than that, the blue dial just appears so flat especially beside the Nautilus. Would probably have much preferred the blue sunburst dial that Rolex puts on the two tone Sub (ref 116613).
The other thing is that right off the bat you can get this BNIB for 25 off MSRP of $36,850 - even before you begin negotiating. I've seen this offered as low as $23-$25K, which is close to dealer cost (37.5 off MSRP). Suspiciously low demand for this model - perhaps given its price point?
Also viewed this one. ... A bit much for $109K MSRP though:
I love Subs...but I F'ing hate the Smurf Sub. Its a waste of materials and money. The color blue they use lacks the beauty of the starburst blue on the two tone or all yellow gold Sub. To me the there is so much bright blue on the bezel and dial I find it overpowering and ugly. Beyond, that its not different enough from your steel subs. Yes, the dial is a different color....but that is a lot of money for a different color bezel and dial. I owned a WG Daytona years ago, and it was a complete waste. Yes the markings on its bezel were different, there were subtle differences in its dial, and the WG was heavier and a slightly different color than my steel Daytona...but I rarely ended up wearing the white gold and when I did, it felt like I was wearing my steel one...its just far to much money to tie up in that kind of watch. For me, platinum has a cool factor that WG lacks. Platinum is purer (95% pure for most watches and jewlery), heavier, denser, rarer, more difficult to work with, and interestingly, unlike gold, if you scratch you can re-polish without losing much if any of the metal...its metal is merely displaced...but not lost. WG...has none of those interesting factors.
Beyond that, there is no market for this watch. A buddy bought one against my advice, tired of it after a year or so, and he practically had to give the damn thing away. It took the better part of 9 months and several price reductions for him to find a buyer, and he took an absolute bath when he sold it. I always see people on Rolex forums say its the ultimate in a stealth Sub. However, the fact is its so stealthy that there is no secondary market.
For what it costs, buy something else. Never be motivated merely by being offered a big discount...remember they are stuck with it, you aren't.
That PP with the blue dial is a lot more money, but it looks so beautiful. I find the dial of your 5711 and the PP Perpetual you posted have so much life and depth of color...the Smurf Sub, is flat and boring in comparison.
The "smurf" Sub took a massive hit in perceived value when Dino announced publicly that he didn't like it. Since then, Rolex have been trying to give them away as quickly as possible to the non TWAT-aware.
I don't hate it, but if I wanted an impractical white gold Rolex, I'd rather have the new GMTII...and as Subs go, your steel no-date is still the true love.
Mimo...you never cease to make me laugh...I don't think my opinion carries that much weight, but thanks for the compliment and a good laugh!
I agree, if going for a silly expensive and impractical WG watch, I would also go for the new GMTII.
Besides, for all the traveling Frilly does, I don't recall him having a GMT function watch. Hint, hint Frilly...sorry to be an enabler, but something is missing from your collection.
It's usually thought of as a "grail" watch for Rolex fanboys, since they don't look outside the box. For those in the know, it's a powerful watch, for those not in the know, it's a fun, cool watch. I think it's great, and prefer it to the PP just because of the sportiness of it.
Sorry, I'm a huge Rolex fan and I own several, but the Smurf Sub is so far from a grail watch its not even funny. Its a watch for suckers. Nothing special, just an obnoxious colored dial and bezel. No real demand, and even less on the pre-owned market. If you like sporty watches for that kind of money there are several new and pre-owned out there that are far nicer than the WG Sub.
IMHO grail Rolexs are things like Double Red SDs, Red Subs, manual wind Daytonas (Paul Newman Dials or standard dials), mint condition original Orange Hand Explorer IIs, Comex Subs and SDs. A modern WG Sub...sorry, but not even close.
They Pateks are easily the star of that show. I love the blue perp cal. That is one of my favorites, such a beautiful watch.
Honestly, between a Nautilus and a Smurf, the Nautilus is a no-brainer for me. Even if they were the same price. I think the smurf looks silly and a bit childish, especially for a $35k toy. I really don't like the blue that Rolex uses, except for the Yachtmaster (which i actually really enjoy).
By the way, Belli and Dino, the discussion on the bracelet stretch was mind blowing. Never realized all of that. I took the term strech at face value.
Spot on Nuke...Nautilus all the way!
Glad you enjoyed the bracelet stretch discussion. Sometimes I wonder if stuff like that gets too geeky and boring for some of the regulars. Again, glad you enjoyed it.