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post #29851 of 35920
If you haven't handled a NOMOS in person, you won't fully appreciate them. Also, of their normal lines, the Zurich Weltzeit is the most expensive and comes in well below the MUT moon. I'd say they are the best value watches under 10K, but that's just my opinion.
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It does resemble a miniature DVD changer.


LOL

post #29853 of 35920
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If someone has 2k to burn...

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What an amazing watch, but too expensive 2 buy.

Distant Dream

do yourself a favor and do not wake up.
post #29855 of 35920
VC is the best IMO.
post #29856 of 35920
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Tyre-kicking diary (shoutout: Mimo) Part ?:

So, Keith T and I went out watch shopping today, and checked out an AD in Houston. Saw some great watches. Keith will likely chime in as well, because he focused on some different ones than myself. I went in wanting to see the VC. It certainly did not disappoint. It is beautifully finished, it looks great on the wrist, and it has quite a nice backside. I would like to spend more time with it, for sure.

However, the stunner for me was the... FP Journe. I came in wanting to see the VC, but figured I ought to check out some FPJs since they were right there.

Holy heck, if you have not seen this in the flesh, do yourself a favor and check it out. It is ABSOLUTELY stunning. The blue dial is just unbelievable. I honestly have never seen anything like it. The case is also made of tantalum, which I find interesting. If this makes sense, the case kind of gives off a black MOP vibe. It is almost smoky looking. It has a lot of depth, and ties in well with the navy strap and the blue dial. The blue changes colors every way that you look at it. And the movement is just beautiful. It has a crazy amount of death, and it is very unique looking.

Of course, as I am certain some will chime in... FPJs are not known to be the most reliable. That does concern me a little bit. But I have heard that they are over it.

Had a fun time meeting Keith T, and next time TC I will be sure to shoot you a PM before the day I come up. And hopefully we can get some drinks next time.

Hi Nuke,

 

I am a HUGE fan of the Piaget Altiplano, but not the automatic version.  In pix it looks too large for you, and I personally find its diameter at its relatively large 43mm diameter relative to its thinness, makes it look like a pancake on a strap. Also its date window ruins the look of this piece.  The Piaget to consider is the 40mm manual wind.  Its dial is prettier without the date, and its proportions are superb, and its just one damn handsome dress watch.  I think its also a bargain for the quality of workmanship the provide.

 

The VC Patrimony Traditionelle, is a beautiful watch.  Everything about it is well done, the dial, the hands, movement, case & its proportions.  I like it a lot as a possible first dress watch.  

 

The Journe, is eye candy and its rare.  However, as much as I like them I would never spend what they cost.  Yea I've heard...Journe say they are past their problems, but do you really want to take that $$$$$ leap of faith?  What are they going to say...drop a bundle with us and your watch will spend much of its time at our repair facilities, and you will be footing huge repair bills in the future?  Not likely, that doesn't sell watches.  Unless you were getting it for like $10,000, the headaches and costs just aren't worth it.  I just can't see buying a watch with a reliability issues it really takes away from the fun of owning a nice watch. Years ago friend of mine bought a UN saying everyone has a Rolex, its too common, too boring, its the safe choice.  By the third time it went back in for repairs during the first 18 months of ownership, all of which was covered under warranty, my friend was so F*cking sick of the watch (and the lack of having it and shipping it back and forth) the he said he wished he had just bought a Rolex.  He made a mistake that was less than $8K at the time.  I can imagine he might have gone postal had it been a $20K+ mistake.  People I've met that owned Journes, said they were beautiful but they had horrible experiences with these watches and their repair costs.   Think of it like a hot stripper who has VD...you might enjoy the view, but its safer to leave it where you saw it.  

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I can't even begin to tell y'all how disappointing it was to meet Newcomer....

...dude looks absolutely NOTHING like his avatar in real life. biggrin.gif

But for realz, we had a blast and I only wish we had a bit more time to hang and look at some more awesome timepieces. Unfortunately, my boss has this thing called "work" that he expects me to at least occasionally try to do, even on a fine March afternoon. Next time, the bourbon's on me!

And apologies in advance for the standard crappy phone pics, but we did indeed get a chance to handle some very fine watches, mainly in the true "dress" category, which is my current obsession anyway. (By April, it could be sundials or maybe hour glasses, who knows.)

So I was once again taking a very close look at this most basic of Altiplanos...super clean. Just two stick hands, very simple, very .... austere. And I really like it. Black on white. Perfect for formal occasions, if you don't mind breaking that particular "style rule". Also quite reasonable, in relative terms. Would slide right under a shirt cuff and disappear. One of those watches that well, maybe only a watch guy would really love. I've had the AD pull this one out of the case twice now, FWIW.

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Sticking with Piaget for a moment, Newc had a nice dial shot of the larger automatic version, with the date at 9, and sub-seconds at 4. Another great watch, similar to the above, but with its own personality. Kind of a quirky layout, not that there's anything wrong with that. But check the backside here...again, not the best pic, but lots to love:

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The surprise of the day had to be how much of a watch-crush Newcomer admittedly seemed to develop for FPJ. Like, instantly. That blue joint in particular. What a stunner.

We've definitely all heard about the quality issues, and believe me Dino, I hear you.

(Nobody wants a hot....stripper ... with...VD? OMG you really went there.)

But damn. Those watches. In the flesh? Wow. The guy makes some beautiful stuff. Truly. I mean, I REALLY dig that contrast of the white hands on the blue dial, and I like the font for the numerals a whole lot on that particular piece as well. It's just somehow distinctive; and the rail track, the inner white circle on the dial, the shape of the hands....the way it all comes together makes for a really sophisticated look.

Our AD has an extra nice space dedicated for them, (they shipped in special furniture?) and my sales lady told a funny/sad story about how she had to raise hell to their Journe rep before he would start allowing females to attend their annual owner's dinner. Apparently certain people haven't got the memo that it's 2014 yet.

Anywho, I took a quick snap of this one, with the plastic still intact since we were worried Newc might drool all over it LOL:

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We also poked around a bit in some of the other cases, mainly just glancing at UN, Panerai and JLC. (A Reverso will make its way into my stable before I exit the watch game. Mark my words!)

Also took a quick peek at Breguet, which we both agreed was a bit too....stuffy, as Newcomer said, for young whippersnappers like ourselves.

And at the end of the day, when I'm dreaming about something from the Big Three, I always like to glance through this and start running calculations in my head.

One kidney = 1921 American Historique? After all, they say a man's reach should always exceed his grasp...

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Oh hell, I guess I'd settle for that gorgeous Patrimony Traditionelle biggrin.gif
Edited by Keith T - 3/14/14 at 11:20pm
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The surprise of the day had to be how much of a watch-crush Newcomer admittedly seemed to develop for FPJ. Like, instantly. That blue joint in particular. What a stunner.

We've definitely all heard about the quality issues, and believe me Dino, I hear you.

(Nobody wants a hot....stripper ... with...VD? OMG you really went there.)

But damn. Those watches. In the flesh? Wow. The guy makes some beautiful stuff. Truly. I mean, I REALLY dig that contrast of the white hands on the blue dial, and I like the font for the numerals a whole lot on that particular piece as well. It's just somehow distinctive; and the rail track, the inner white circle on the dial, the shape of the hands....the way it all comes together makes for a really sophisticated look.

Our AD has an extra nice space dedicated for them, (they shipped in special furniture?) and my sales lady told a funny/sad story about how she had to raise hell to their Journe rep before he would start allowing females to attend their annual owner's dinner. Apparently certain people haven't got the memo that it's 2014 yet.

Anywho, I took a quick snap of this one, with the plastic still intact since we were worried Newc might drool all over it LOL:

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We also poked around a bit in some of the other cases, mainly just glancing at UN, Panerai and JLC. (A Reverso will make its way into my stable before I exit the watch game. Mark my words!)

Also took a quick peek at Breguet, which we both agreed was a bit too....stuffy, as Newcomer said, for young whippersnappers like ourselves.

And at the end of the day, when I'm dreaming about something from the Big Three, I always like to glance through this and start running calculations in my head.

One kidney = 1921 American Historique? After all, they say a man's reach should always exceed his grasp...

Oh hell, I guess I'd settle for that gorgeous Patrimony Traditionelle biggrin.gif

Hi Keith,

 

I guess everyone is always talking of TWAT beauty....in this instance I felt it was important to raise the issues surrounding TWAT gone bad!!!  

 

I love the manual wind Piaget that you posted and I love the manual 40mm with small seconds at 10 o'clock.  I think its a stunning watch and a great value.  I think the small seconds at 10 is kind of cool and makes it a bit less traditional and a tad younger.

 

The F.P. Journe you posted is lovely.  I really like that one, and I believe there is/was a moonphase version that is just stunning.  However, I just can't see spending that kind of $$$$ on a watch that is severely lacking in terms of its reputation for reliability and cost to repair.  If Patek, AL&S, AP, VC and Piaget can produce beautiful products in those price ranges, which don't have to go back and forth to repair centers constantly, there just isn't an excuse for F.P. Journe producing products that stunning on the outside but really can't be worn.

 

Isn't the VC 1921 American fantastic!  Its a bold shape, and really and example of VC doing what it does best....interesting dial, case, and lugs.  Still, besides price, its probably more attention grabbing (less fly under the radar than the Tranditionelle), and possibly not as versatile for Nuke as a first serious dress watch.

 

Anyway, glad to hear your guys had a blast...even if you didn't find Nuke quite as shapely or enticing as his avatar ;)

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It feels a bit like Christmas today.

 

 

 

 

 

Also I've got the same ... great choice, really.

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That blue Journe!  I posted a stock pic of that exact one way back, and from your description and real-life photo, it's everything I imagined.  Nuke, I sympathise completely with your smitten-ness.  Filthy whore she might be, but I can see why you're under her spell...

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Also I've got the same ... great choice, really.

Thank you, sir.
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Where in Houston did you see these pieces? I am there a lot and would love to check it out.

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A Sinn in the sun:

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I had a similar FPJ epiphany in Boca Raton last month. I knew next to nothing about the brand and was just stunned as the SA kept bringing out gorgeous watch after gorgeous watch. Sad to hear of the reliability problems though, I agree with Dino that that would be a complete deal breaker
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

VC is the best IMO.

I have to say, the VC is quite stunning. I am not even remotely in disagreement!
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Hi Nuke,
 

Yes, the large automatic altiplano is not my favorite of the bunch, but I did find it quite interesting. I do not think that this was the 43mm version though? Surprisingly, I believe this was the 40mm version! It looked very, very large on my wrist though. I think it is the combination of the white face, painted dial, and thin bezel. One thing I did note about Piaget that I found particularly beautiful was the "absence" of much of a rehaut. I find a rehaut one of the less attractive parts of the dial-side (especially when it says ROLEXROLEXROLEX, but I digress smile.gif), and I really like how close the dial itself is to the sapphire. This is of course accomplished by lowering the subsidiary seconds. A very nice touch.

I am glad I get the stamp of approval with regards to the VC Patrimony Traditionelle. It is a gorgeous dress watch, and is almost the "perfect" time-only dress watch. More on that later..

I was hoping that you would chime in on the matter of servicing issues. I am going to use a different metaphor. It is like a stunningly beautiful, exotic woman--we can call her my Kate Upton. If you marry her, you may live your lives with one another and be more than content. But there is that other part of you that realizes that there is a good chance you are going to get burnt. So the question comes down to... do you take the chance? I have heard that FPJ has remedied its reliability concerns. And I would be interested to see if the reliability concerns are limited to the crazy watches like the resonance, or the centigraphe, or whether the concerns span across the whole lineup. But I completely agree with your general assessment. Spending $20,000 on a watch that constantly goes back to be repaired is nothing if not nauseating.
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I can't even begin to tell y'all how disappointing it was to meet Newcomer....

...dude looks absolutely NOTHING like his avatar in real life. biggrin.gif

Great post! I am in complete agreement with the Breguet assessment. The coin edge bezel and such are just a little bit too ornate for my tastes. Some of the watches, in my opinion, come off as a bit too contrived.

As Keith mentioned, we tried on some severely anti-TWAT watches. Checked out some PVD Panerai, and even glanced around the Hublot case. Figured we would not share any pictures though smile.gif. Although not watches I would necessarily own anytime soon, I have to "respect" their marketing.

Just a few words on the "feel" of the Journe watches--it is almost tangible how much though goes into making these watches. You can just tell that this is truly a labor of love. Maybe I am romanticizing it a bit, but they give a similar feeling to Laurent Ferrier. The watches also have a very nice, balanced heft. I love the VC, but it did not feel as balanced and reassuring on the wrist. The Journe watches felt more akin to a Lange on the wrist. They have that almost impossible to describe balance. The watch just kind of thunks onto your wrist. It almost feels magnetized.

Piaget was a fun case to visit, and although we got to see some breathtaking watches, there are still some others I would like to see. That time only watch was absolutely stunning, and the price is so reasonable it is ridiculous. I have a feeling that someone may be back for that one...

And for the next meet-up, I'll work at re-establishing my curves icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Hi Keith,

I guess everyone is always talking of TWAT beauty....in this instance I felt it was important to raise the issues surrounding TWAT gone bad!!!  

Haha, your first line made me laugh. The 40mm small seconds was not available for us to look at. But the 38mm time-only version presents an unbelievable value proposition considering the degree of finishing.

The 1921 is awesome, just so damn expensive. It has almost priced itself out of consideration IMHO.
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That blue Journe!  I posted a stock pic of that exact one way back, and from your description and real-life photo, it's everything I imagined.  Nuke, I sympathise completely with your smitten-ness.  Filthy whore she might be, but I can see why you're under her spell...

I am glad that I have your approval Mimo smile.gif. Sometimes you just have to make bad decisions, even if you know they will have consequences.

Honestly though, I still have time before I am going to be pulling any triggers, and it is something that I really need to think through. So far I have vacillated between far too many watches. I am not ready to be making any decisions. And Mimo, did you have a chance to see it in real life?
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