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jesus, @hroi. fantastic
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thank you everyone for your very kind comments. i'm super excited about this.

in response to the request for more info - it is new, and purchased from an AD. the Lange 1 has been my grail primarily because of its aesthetics - it's the pinnacle of how i would define a simple, beautiful watch. i know that there are many reasons to buy a ALS, but if i'm completely honest with myself, that's the primary reason for me happy.gif

my initial plan was to acquire the JLC Master Geographic this holiday, and the Lange in (late) 2014. well, i walked into the AD and was immediately offered a very competitive price (equal to the internet gray market dealers) for it, so i pulled the trigger and thought i was done for 12 months. well, i accompanied my parents to the same store two weeks later and ran into the same SA. well, we got to chatting while my dad was trying on every watch in the place, and i told her that my grail watch was the Lange 1. "oh really," she says, and unlocks a display case and shows me this beauty, and punches up a number for me. the deal was even better (as a % of MSRP) than the JLC.

so the rest is history...i still have some buyers remorse because this is by far the biggest impulse purchase i've made, but still very happy. besides, i did stick to the plan to get it in 2014, didn't i? nod[1].gif
post #27558 of 35013
Holy Bazinga...!

Congrats!
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yes sir, and thank you. it is a happy new year for me and between this and the JLC i think i am done for awhile. satisfied.gif

post #27559 of 35013
I happily own and enjoy both chronos, a RO and Daytona (with a 4130 mvmt)

The finish on the RO, especially the dial and bracelet, is certainly in a different class than the Daytona, no question. What it comes down to, in my view, is as a piece of jewelry, the AP wins. As a piece of horology, I don't think it does.

I am familiar with what was going on back then, and as it happens I paid about 40% more for my Daytona than for my RO Chrono when I bought each (within about the same 18 month period) in the early 00s. This was very shortly after the 4130 mvmt was introduced. No regrets.

Regards,


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Personally, I think its a beautiful watch.  The finish greatly exceeds that of what you will get with a current Rolex Daytona.  There simply is no comparison.  As for the price...well you have to remember you are now dealing with a boat load of gold.  Keep in mind a new SS Daytona is under $14,000 ...but in rose its $40,000.  As for the AP in steel its about $24,000.  So what you are really seeing is prices escalating by about $30K on each watch.  In the mid 1990s a steel Daytona was about $4,000 and in gold it was $17,000.  In the late 90s a RO chrono listed for $12,500 and in gold it was about $25,000...but you could get bigger discounts on the APs.  Fast forward to huge price increase both because watch companies decided they could (even on steel models) and the huge jump in the price of gold in recent years and you now have gold watches that sell for crazy money.  Even a basic Calatrava was a $9,500 watch (before huge discounts in the late 1990s you could buy new from ADs for about $6K)...now they are hovering around $30K.

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so the rest is history...i still have some buyers remorse because this is by far the biggest impulse purchase i've made, but still very happy. besides, i did stick to the plan to get it in 2014, didn't i? nod[1].gif

Some things are just meant to be, and you are presented a unique opportunity that just feels right, you should jump on it! Congrats again!
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thank you everyone for your very kind comments. i'm super excited about this.

in response to the request for more info - it is new, and purchased from an AD. the Lange 1 has been my grail primarily because of its aesthetics - it's the pinnacle of how i would define a simple, beautiful watch. i know that there are many reasons to buy a ALS, but if i'm completely honest with myself, that's the primary reason for me happy.gif

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so the rest is history...i still have some buyers remorse because this is by far the biggest impulse purchase i've made, but still very happy. besides, i did stick to the plan to get it in 2014, didn't i? nod[1].gif

Congrats again.  Just an amazing time piece.  To me its still as fresh and beautiful as when the design was first unveiled many years ago.  Its dressy and yet its not stodgy, which is an issue I have with some dress watches from high end brands.  Hopefully, the buyers remorse will be gone soon and you will have many years of enjoyment from this watch.   Wishing you lots of luck with it.   

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TC.............whadja order now??

The 41MM AP wasn't enough??
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yes sir, and thank you. it is a happy new year for me and between this and the JLC i think i am done for awhile. satisfied.gif

 

CONGRATS!

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This thread is on FIRE!

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Frills - you're the head pyro around here nod[1].gif
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I happily own and enjoy both chronos, a RO and Daytona (with a 4130 mvmt)

The finish on the RO, especially the dial and bracelet, is certainly in a different class than the Daytona, no question. What it comes down to, in my view, is as a piece of jewelry, the AP wins. As a piece of horology, I don't think it does.

I am familiar with what was going on back then, and as it happens I paid about 40% more for my Daytona than for my RO Chrono when I bought each (within about the same 18 month period) in the early 00s. This was very shortly after the 4130 mvmt was introduced. No regrets.

Regards,

I think you and I will have to agree to disagree.  Your initial point seemed to be that the gold Daytona was a better choice than the AP RO Chrono in gold.  You are saying that the AP wins as a piece of jewelry, however if we still with your original premise...both are pieces of jewelry once you go from all steel to all gold.  There is no horologic value in going from a steel Daytona or steel AP to all gold...its jewelry and its priced that way.  However, before you discount what the AP offers as merely jewlery vs. horology, I think one has to consider the entire watch...not merely the movement.  Afterall, the Daytona's case is pretty straight forward.  There are no real innovations, and nothing unusually difficult about making that case (its a basic round shaped case).  However, there is a lot more engineering into making the case of the Royal Oak.  Its shape is more intricate, but beyond that the rubber gaskets used and sandwiched in its case and bezel using its hexagonal bolts to make a secure closure...well I think that is horology, engineering, and art.  As for the movement, that fact that something isn't in house doesn't make or break something IMHO, provided its a high quality movement.  I don't think anyone would say, well Patek's 5070 isn't as good as a 5980, because the 5070 used a Lemania based movement, which one can also find in a VC Historiques Chronograph.  Again I think we will just have to agree to disagree. 

 

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great stuff, dino. any thoughts though on the 15202 vs the 15400?

Thanks Stitch.

 

I would think my thoughts are pretty clear since I chose the 15202 ;).  Just kidding.  I think both are great choices, and one must consider what they want from a watch before deciding.  First I'd say AP should be applauded for not making a 41mm version of the 15202 and sticking to their roots with the Jumbo.  It retains its original size, movement, and has gone back to the original small Cloud de Paris dial.  To me, this watch represents the most innovative and beautifully designed sport watch, all in an ultra thin case with the iconic thinnest automatic movement made.  Personally, I preferred its dial (both the design and the color which I think look richer than the dark dials of the 15400), its proportions, and its famous movement, the only one ever used by PP, AP, and VC.  Its size makes it incredibly versatile for both sport and dress clothing. Although, where I live one rarely sees APs except maybe at a watch event, I like the exclusivity of the Jumbo.  To be honest, since the new model was released, I've only seen 1 Jumbo on 1 other person and he was just completing his purchase of it.     

  

However, the 15400 is a damn good watch in its own right.  It appeals to those who want a larger case, it has a new inhouse movement with quick set date, and its significantly less expensive.  If I were really tough on watches I might choose this as I wouldn't worry as much about its movement being in a thicker case, and I'd feel more uncomfortable banging up a watch that is as pricey as a Jumbo. I think one can also get a much better discount on a 15400 as they are made in larger numbers and they're readily available through ADs.  In the end I think its a really good watch, but for many reasons I favor the 15202 Jumbo.  

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awesome. thanks so much for sharing that, dino. i know its discontinued, but what are your thoughts on the 15300 while we are at it? smile.gif
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awesome. thanks so much for sharing that, dino. i know its discontinued, but what are your thoughts on the 15300 while we are at it? smile.gif

Hi Stitchy, 

 

You are very welcome.  The 15300 has its own following.  Many like it because it was the case that cal 3120 was really made for, and it looks perfect in that case.  Some find it looks a bit odd that there is a big trim ring to make up for viewing this movement in the enlarged case of the 15400.  I personally think the 15300 proportions look nicer to my eye, than that of a 15400. Something about the dial and bezel proportions on the 15400 just didn't work for me.  In the abstract it looks great but in person something about it wasn't for me.

 

As odd as it is, what I really didn't like on the 15300 was the sweep seconds hand.  I know its a small feature and not a big deal but I just didn't like it and its funny tail.  Also, some may find the newer clasp as on the current Jumbo and the 15400 more comfortable.  Over the years there were some complaints about the 15300 as many people found its butterfly clasp wasn't very comfortable.  The clasps were redesigned with the introduction of the 15400 and new 15202.  I find the new clasps very comfortable.  

 

Hope this is helpful...but as you know the best way to find the right one is to try one on...although you might look a little silly crying and having on tantrum on the floor when its time to give it back to the SA...I know I always did.  ;)

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yes sir, and thank you. it is a happy new year for me and between this and the JLC i think i am done for awhile. satisfied.gif


H, great job inlove.gif
post #27570 of 35013
@TC (Houston)

Tc sorry if i missed the news. Did the stagecoach get through?
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